*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[wellAlbidarned]

I'd like to find out what happens in an alternate universe where Ajaz played in the final. Santner ripped a couple past the edge and then went back to darting it in on the legs for some reason.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

I wonder if any of the test players coming over can join for some these t20s? Will they get there on time, and will there be any bubble-type restrictions preventing it.

E.g. an Ajaz or Latham or Young wouldn't hurt their prep too much to fill in for a T20. Give Kane a bit of a break.

Well it has gotta be a priority to get Taylor playing in the t20s, I’d have thought. Can’t go into the first test not having played a match in six months or so.

 

[SteveNZ]

I'd like to find out what happens in an alternate universe where Ajaz played in the final. Santner ripped a couple past the edge and then went back to darting it in on the legs for some reason.

Yep, I was massively disappointed with that. Having said that, he's got a bit of a history of doing that on helpful decks - I remember the Pakistan game at the 2019 World Cup where it was ragging, and he couldn't land 2 in a row in the right spot and someone (Babar?) took him apart. Guess that's been his issue at Test level, too

 

[straw man]

Is it just me or has Santner actually lost accuracy over time. It wasn't for nothing that he became NZ's first choice limited overs spinner and new-Vettori. My memory is his effectiveness came from a combination of accuracy, variation in pace/trajectory and the confidence to toss the ball up when batsmen were hitting him, which yielded quite a few wickets (again, Vettori-like). He still has the same overall approach of course, but a boundary-ball per over not uncommon and batsmen seem to have little difficulty scoring five singles per over from him either.

 

[nzfan]

Well it has gotta be a priority to get Taylor playing in the t20s, I’d have thought. Can’t go into the first test not having played a match in six months or so.

From stuff: The Black Caps have 15 players available for the Indian T20s, but Stead confirmed the six who are also in the squad for the two World Test Championship matches to follow would play small roles.

Answers your question... I don't understand what is a small role to be honest. Either you're playing or you're not. 6 players is a lot and I'm guessing Latham, Young, Ajaz will feature in t20s vs India.

 

[nzfan]

Is it just me or has Santner actually lost accuracy over time. It wasn't for nothing that he became NZ's first choice limited overs spinner and new-Vettori. My memory is his effectiveness came from a combination of accuracy, variation in pace/trajectory and the confidence to toss the ball up when batsmen were hitting him, which yielded quite a few wickets (again, Vettori-like). He still has the same overall approach of course, but a boundary-ball per over not uncommon and batsmen seem to have little difficulty scoring five singles per over from him either.

Yeah still a top class white ball bowler but he's been taken for some runs of late. He just bowls, fast, flat in dippers of late and doesn't look to turn. The batters are batting deep in the crease and playing square. When he first came on the scene he used to use dip the ball lots more and turn a bit if not prodigiously. I guess the t20 wrecked his red ball cricket.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

yeah his stock ball has definitely regressed

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Team for next year's World T20 in Oz? (Less of a spin requirement I'd say)

Allen
Ravindra
Kane
Conway (wk)
Phillips
Mitchell
Neesham
Rippon
Milne
Ferguson
Boult

Very deep batting lineup. 3 quicks + Rippon Neesham/Mitchell/Ravindra/Phillips

 

[Immenso]

^^ Don't think Ravindra is a particularly good T20 player yet. So, that would be a definite no on that position from me.

No spinner in your 11? T20 is a game invented for spinners and fattish 40 year old batsmen. Madness.

Imagine not playing a mediocre leg spinner at one of those wrongly aligned AFL grounds with big square boundaries. A long hop by a leg spinner is the best percentage ball in the sport.

 

[Mike5181]

I'd have Will Young in there.

 

[thierry henry]

jeez Santner and Sodhi bowl 3 bad overs each (Santner's only went for 23 ffs) and now we're retiring them both

 

[Athlai]

Jam T20 world cup too, literally one next year. who gives a ****

 

[vandem]

Not sure if mentioned earlier, but appears that Michael Rippon is now eligible. Useful option for T20 side if selectors have had enough Sodhi allsorts and don't want to pick Astle.

ODT story from 4th Nov:

Rippon told officially he is in mix for NZ selection

Any call from the national selectors is a good one. Otago left-arm wrist spinner Michael Rippon received a courtesy call before the New Zealand...

www.odt.co.nz

 

[Chewie]

I feel like it will be exactly the same side as this year except with Allen potentially in for Guptill and Ferguson in for Sodhi

 

[thierry henry]

Yeah as much as every series is apparently JAMwhatever, any given T20 game is also highly random no matter what status it has. Whether or not the boshing and bopping of batsmen in a World Cup Final is successful is just as up to chance as whether it is in a JAM T20 against Bangladesh at Darwin or Mt Maunganui.

 

[Athlai]

Haha yeah I cracked up at the blokes going "Oh Guptill only tons up 1 in every 10 knockout game".

FFS guys how often do you think people ton up in any game?

 

[thierry henry]

Cricket analysis seems to be stuck in this impossible conundrum where 90% of the games don't count but the sample size of the games that do count is so small that you can't draw any meaningful conclusions from them either.

 

[ataraxia]

Guptill
Conway
Williamson
Phillips
Allen
Mitchell
Neesham
Jamieson
Santner
Boult
Ferguson

 

[thierry henry]

No spinner in your 11? T20 is a game invented for spinners and fattish 40 year old batsmen. Madness.

Imagine not playing a mediocre leg spinner at one of those wrongly aligned AFL grounds with big square boundaries. A long hop by a leg spinner is the best percentage ball in the sport.

Exactly. Spin in T20s is a proven winner in all conditions, and NZ have always picked spinners in T20. We are not going to suddenly pick an all-seam attack for the World Cup because of a hunch that we should just bowl like it's a test match.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Haha yeah I cracked up at the blokes going "Oh Guptill only tons up 1 in every 10 knockout game".

FFS guys how often do you think people ton up in any game?

Except his high score apart from the century is 39 off 75 back in the 2011 semi vs Sri Lanka, you’d definitely expect a better return than that.