Trott leaves tour

[grecian]

Hope Trott get's through this, and comes out the other side smiling.

 

[Langeveldt]

Hope Trott get's through this, and comes out the other side smiling.

That might be asking a bit too much

A speedy recovery and a hatful of runs next year will suffice

 

[sledger]

I'm not really sure what point SS is trying to make here, in a larger sense. Test cricket is an extremely psychological game, divorce the psychological aspect from the hit-ball-with-bat aspect of it and it's no longer Test cricket.

I think you could make that point about the majority of sports to be honest. Perhaps some more than others. But I think you'd be hard pushed to find a sport where your state of mind was completely divorced from your physical performance.

 

[Pothas]

I think you could make that point about the majority of sports to be honest. Perhaps some more than others. But I think you'd be hard pushed to find a sport where your state of mind was completely divorced from your physical performance.

Test cricket is probably the best example though, maybe goalkeeping as well. You seen Almunia's howler this weekend?

 

[sledger]

Test cricket is probably the best example though, maybe goalkeeping as well. You seen Almunia's howler this weekend?

Haha, goalkeeping was exactly what I was thinking of. Once you lose confidence it's absolutely horrible, you really feel like whatever ability you have has just left you. And that's just from playing at a very junior level!

And yes, poor lad. Seems he is back to his old tricks. Really want him to do well, but he's just really rubbish.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Golf - Golf is a game that seriously messes your head.

I played my best, and then my worst ever rounds on the same weekend back in 2006.

I was nearly in ****ing tears at the end.

 

[zaremba]

Massive sympathy to the guy. Well done CWers for being, without exception, grown up about this one.

 

[Langeveldt]

Golf - Golf is a game that seriously messes your head.

I played my best, and then my worst ever rounds on the same weekend back in 2006.

I was nearly in ****ing tears at the end.

Agreed, ruins a perfectly nice sunny Sunday

 

[sledger]

Massive sympathy to the guy. Well done CWers for being, without exception, grown up about this one.

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[fredfertang]

I'm just hoping Geoffrey Boycott isn't asked for his opinion on the matter.

Having had his own personal issues in recent years I think Sir Geoffrey would have a much more balanced view than you might expect - I'd be a lot more concerned about Brian Close's opinion, but they never seem to ask him

 

[GIMH]

Having had his own personal issues in recent years I think Sir Geoffrey would have a much more balanced view than you might expect - I'd be a lot more concerned about Brian Close's opinion, but they never seem to ask him

Mike Yardy may challenge you on that Fred

Terrible news. 'Stress related illness' is a phrase that carries awful connotations for England cricketers. I hope he comes through this.

 

[silentstriker]

I'm not really sure what point SS is trying to make here, in a larger sense. Test cricket is an extremely psychological game, divorce the psychological aspect from the hit-ball-with-bat aspect of it and it's no longer Test cricket.

Fine, but then by that logic, going after someone's stress related problems shouldn't be off limits, no?

 

[Spark]

Fine, but then by that logic, going after someone's stress related problems shouldn't be off limits, no?

Personal circumstances are off limits. Technique and cricketing ability is not.

 

[silentstriker]

Personal circumstances are off limits. Technique and cricketing ability is not.

That's not much of a psychological game then. And if that's true, there's a quite a lot of sledging that goes on which is supposedly off limits.

And as I mentioned above, the two aren't as compartmentalized as people would believe.

 

[Neil Pickup]

God you just know what's going to happen in the media about all of this.

By Thursday a former Australian player will have accused Trott of being weak. At least one radio show host will do the same, though don't be surprised if it's more. Clueless media personalities - probably on a morning or daytime talk show - will try to pin the blame on David Warner while also calling for all sledging to be banned because think of the children. And most importantly, your dumb mates on Facebook that you haven't seen since high school will praise Warner's chat and insinuate that Jonathan enjoys the company of men.

Thankfully we have CricketWeb, and standards.

 

[Spark]

That's not much of a psychological game then.

Of course it is. You're making the batsman question his confidence in his technique and ability, how much more psychological does it need to be?

And if that's true, there's a quite a lot of sledging that goes on which is supposedly off limits.

No argument from me.

And as I mentioned above, the two aren't as compartmentalized as people would believe.

Sure, but a compromise has to be made somewhere.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

That's not much of a psychological game then. And if that's true, there's a quite a lot of sledging that goes on which is supposedly off limits.

And as I mentioned above, the two aren't as compartmentalized as people would believe.

There's a big difference between -

1. You're grip is wrong. Your feet don't move. You can't see for ****. You've scored 3 ducks in your last 4 innings. You're the shabbiest player I've ever seen. Your technique is ****e. You're gonna be dropped; and

2. Your Mum's dead, how funny. That cancer your Dad's slowly dying from is deserved. How is your disabled Daughter doing?

The first are within the remit of cricket.

The second are not.

 

[fredfertang]

Mike Yardy may challenge you on that Fred

It was the stick he got for that that prompted my comment - I don't think he'd say anything similar again for that reason, but in any event he wouldn't think the same way with Trott, who patently is good enough

 

[ganeshran]

David Frith: 'Cricket has its dark secrets, its skeletons' - Cricket - Sport - The Independent


I haven't gotten round to reading Frith's book but it looks interesting, if a little macabre.

Silence Of The Heart: Cricket Suicides - David Frith - Google Books

Hope more cricketers come out and talk about this problem. Timely counselling could keep things manageable at the very least.

 

[Red]

**** sake, how many people commenting on Warner's comments have actually seen the press conference? He said his dismissal was weak and he had scared eyes. Absolutely kidding yourself if you think that causes a stress related illness. Have a spell.

By the same token, I wouldn't dismiss it as a factor at all. When someone's dealing with mental illness the comments of others are often magnified within the person's head.

Warner's comments were out of line in a press conference imo.