Top 30 batsmen of the modern era (1990s -Current) - Updated

[venkyrenga]

No. 12

Younis Khan - 131.2



Points: 131.2
Peak: 2004-07

Overall points: 132.5
Overseas points: 116.2
Best bowling attack points: 142.1
Peak points: 144

Runs: 10099
Average: 52.05

 

[venkyrenga]

No. 11

Virat Kohli - 133



Points: 133
Peak: 2016-19
Longevity penalty: -7.0

Overall points: 132.7
Overseas points: 128.6
Best bowling attack points: 125.2
Peak points: 157.7

Runs: 7765
Average: 51.08

 

[venkyrenga]

No, but isn't that the logical conclusion of your theory? If you think the batsman's job is to stay longer out there, negatively penalizing their strike rate seems wrong, however you milk it. I think it would be easier to positively add to them for being out there longer.

Awarding points for more balls faced (or even minutes) has the same overall effect as penalizing for a very high SR.

The theory that scoring runs at a faster rate is something bad for any team at any time in test cricket just seems extremely odd to me.

Again there is a misunderstanding. Because that is not my theory. In fact it is the opposite of it.

And how exactly do you define the bolded here in your methodology? I think the best example of the adaptability of a batsman to any condition is usually reflected in how many runs he scores.

Unless your methodology has a way of figuring out when a team were playing for a draw or something, but again I am not sure how we can justify a measure called optimal SR unless it is something that changes innings by innings and match by match.

Of course the optimal SR cannot be the same for all the matches or batsmen. That's why I have given a 10% leeway from the optimal SR of 60 and made it 54-66. From my assessment of numerous matches and batsmen, which I did before starting this, the desirable SR is in that range unless you have some extreme exception where a batsman almost always played in very batting friendly or bowling friendly pitches.

 

[honestbharani]

the desirable SR is in that range unless you have some extreme exception where a batsman almost always played in very batting friendly or bowling friendly pitches.

Sorry mate, I understand the hard work you have put it into this but honestly there is no such thing as a desirable SR range over a career. I would love to see your methodology with this factor removed. But with it, I am not sure it adds anything but it definitely subtracts quite a bit.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yeah, I agree. Sometimes there are 'odd couples' batting together in terms of strike rate (one hare, one tortoise) but they bat together for the good of their team. In recent years we've seen NZ with Watling's very low strike rate paired with De Grandhomme's very high strike rate but both are going a job for their side. Likewise Pujara and Pant did this for India in Australia.

 

[venkyrenga]

The methodology does not penalize for scoring at a slower rate neither does it penalize for scoring at a faster rate. It only penalizes batsmen who always score slow or always score fast. Thereby rewarding batsmen who are capable of doing both.

Sorry mate, I understand the hard work you have put it into this but honestly there is no such thing as a desirable SR range over a career. I would love to see your methodology with this factor removed. But with it, I am not sure it adds anything but it definitely subtracts quite a bit.

I am glad to agree to disagree.

 

[Coronis]

The methodology does not penalize for scoring at a slower rate neither does it penalize for scoring at a faster rate. It only penalizes batsmen who always score slow or always score fast.

Rightio

 

[venkyrenga]

No. 10

Shivnarine Chanderpaul - 134.2



Points: 134.2
Peak: 2007-10
Longevity bonus: 1.3

Overall points: 131.4
Overseas points: 128
Best bowling attack points: 145.1
Peak points: 153

Runs: 11867
Average: 51.37

 

[venkyrenga]

No. 9

Kumar Sangakkara - 136



Points: 136
Peak: 2007-10
Longevity bonus: 1.3

Overall points: 136.7
Overseas points: 123.5
Best bowling attack points: 140.2
Peak points: 151.9

Runs: 12400
Average: 57.40

 

[TheJediBrah]

Again there is a misunderstanding. Because that is not my theory. In fact it is the opposite of it.

You literally rate players lower for having a higher career strike rate lol

No matter which team a batsman plays for, in test cricket there will be situations where one will need to increase the scoring rate or slow down and occupy the crease for a long period. And if a batsman has adapted to these match conditions his overall SR would be in the optimal range and not extremely high or low. This is simple logic.

That is a ridiculous statement, and horrific logic

 

[venkyrenga]

No. 8

AB de Villiers - 136.3



Points: 136.3
Peak: 2010-13
Longevity bonus: 1.3

Overall points: 129.3
Overseas points: 140.1
Best bowling attack points: 140.4
Peak points: 166.5

Runs: 8765
Average: 50.66

 

[The Sean]

I'm surprised to see De Villiers' peak points so much higher than Sangakkara's. And very surprised that Chanderpaul's peak is higher than Sangakkara's at all, even by only a little.

 

[venkyrenga]

I'm surprised to see De Villiers' peak points so much higher than Sangakkara's. And very surprised that Chanderpaul's peak is higher than Sangakkara's at all, even by only a little.

If we look at plain average Sanga would be higher. But his points are brought down by lower overseas average and quality of bowling faced in that period. Whereas Chanderpaul's points are increased by quality of bowling faced.

 

[venkyrenga]

No. 7

Rahul Dravid - 137



Points: 137
Peak: 2002-05
Longevity bonus: 0.7

Overall points: 131
Overseas points: 150.3
Best bowling attack points: 118.3
Peak points: 162.9

Runs: 13288
Average: 52.31

 

[venkyrenga]

No. 6

Ricky Ponting - 138.1



Points: 138.1
Peak: 2002-05

Overall points: 138.3
Overseas points: 128.7
Best bowling attack points: 139.3
Peak points: 154.9

Runs: 13378
Average: 51.85

 

[venkyrenga]

No. 5

Steve Waugh - 143.1



Points: 143.1
Peak: 1993-96

Overall points: 133
Overseas points: 149
Best bowling attack points: 164.6
Peak points: 173.1

Runs: 10927
Average: 51.06

 

[Jayro]

Despite of some flaws, I see there is mostly a plausible ranking which seems befitting to the players with not much shocking scrambles.

 

[Jayro]

I would also like to know where would you rank someone like Md. Azharuddin.

 

[stephen]

Chanderpaul getting a nosebleed there, especially compared to Hayden/ Sehwag/ Smith. Openers are dramatically undervalued by this ranking mechanism.

 

[venkyrenga]

Despite of some flaws, I see there is mostly a plausible ranking which seems befitting to the players with not much shocking scrambles.
I would also like to know where would you rank someone like Md. Azharuddin.

Azhar's performance since 90s wasn't enough to make it to this list. But if we considered his run in the 80s he would roughly earn about 117 pts which should put him close to no. 25.

I am also open to discuss whatever you feel as flaws in the system