Matt79
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Surprised actually. Didn't think you took the pyjama game that seriously...
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To Australian fans...
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dontcloseyoureyes
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Kiwi's are casually unaware that there's a longer verson of cricket than ODI's.
Fiery
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We've never won a World Cup. We've beaten Australia in test series before. I do take the pyjama game seriously, especially if you could say you are World Champions at it. I don't believe the results of this poll. I think you Aussies are just playing down the achievement as no big deal and pretending it doesn't mean much. I know if I was Australian I would be stoked at having won it more so than winning a test series you were always going to win against an ordinary England side who you should never have let have the Ashes in the first place.
Another reason people have voted for the Ashes, I believe, is because the poll is public...people can see who voted where and they think "heaven forbid if anyone thinks I'm not a purist and put OD cricket ahead of tests...I better vote for the Ashes"
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Burgey
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Can't speak for anyone else, but the pathological sporting hatred of England probably has something to do with it as well.
Fiery
Banned
I hear ya
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
The fact that we were always 2nd-best in 2006\07 does not change the fact we were overwhelmingly superior in 2005.
Fiery
Banned
No you weren't. You won 2-1 with 2 drawn
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
And sometimes scorelines don't accurately reflect the cricket played... anyway, done this one a million times, England were categorically the better side in each of the last 4 Tests and beyond all question deserved to win the series. They exposed the inadequecies of several Australian players (most notably Hayden, Martyn and Gilchrist with the swinging ball) and though they did profit from the near-inexplicable breakdown of one of the most important (Gillespie) there's no question they were the better side.
That was not the case, however, in 2006\07.
That was not the case, however, in 2006\07.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
He was talking about the SA tour at the beginning of 2005 IMO.
pasag
RTDAS
Lol, I guess this is consistent with your not believing sciences view regarding Murali. Only one Australian supporter voted for the World Cup on that poll and that's only days after Australia won it and months after the Ashes. The other way around and you could say it is has the bias of being fresh in peoples mind, but it doesn't.
Your post neglects over a hundred years of Ashes history, something the World Cup will never come close to. 2005 ****s on any World Cup series as do the other awesome Ashes series. A hundred years of it of rich history compared to 30? It also, and I'm quite frankly surprised given you live so close, shows a distinct lack of awareness of the general consensus of the Australian public. 3 months before the Ashes, the side was on the front page of the paper preparing for a bootcamp. In the many weeks leading up to the Ashes, every single day there would be a front page article. Every day. The whole Australia was abuzz, I remember walking past people on the street talking about it, in build up, I remember the fruiter's talking about whether Glenn McGrath would pull up all right for the second Test because of a blister. The hype and buzz is something I've never seen before and the 06/07 Ashes is something I've never ever witnessed in terms of it. Yet the WC, not a blip on the radar. It was pushed back to page 15 in the sport sections, even the day before the final, Saturdays paper had nothing on the front. Granted we won it was news, but nothing else really was, because the WC doesn't touch the Ashes.
Test cricket will always be greater than the shorter stuff, most people recognise that, well the Australian and British public do either way and nothing beats the Ashes. I don't care if Australia never wins the WC again as long as we continue retaining the Ashes. The Ashes and test match cricket are a cultural thing, a historical thing, something an ODI tournament will never ever surpass and the results here reflect that.
And the poll is consistent with this and another similar media poll posted a while back which showed Australians would overwhelmingly rather win the Ashes ontop of the Soccer WC, Olympics and Cricket WC. Hopefully Richard or someone can dig up that thread, I couldn't find it.
But I guess those are also a case of people thinking "heaven forbid if anyone thinks I'm not a purist and put OD cricket ahead of tests...I better vote for the Ashes"
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pasag
RTDAS
Finally found it:
The Ashes voted Australia's most treasured team sporting prize
On top of the cricinfo poll, this thread and the thread I linked to previously, the results are pretty conclusive and speak for themselves.
The Ashes voted Australia's most treasured team sporting prize
On top of the cricinfo poll, this thread and the thread I linked to previously, the results are pretty conclusive and speak for themselves.
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LA ICE-E
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I'm just, don't like like ponting and since i don't have a home team i don't have to be patriotic and want to see close games instead of dominance. Australia dominates way too much, I would like it if it was like brazil in soccer which is fine but right now the aussies are like undisputed king of cricket.LA ICE-E is an Australian fan? I never knew
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Haha. For most people it was the Ashes loss, because some crazy people actually believed we had a chance.
Near enough everyone - even after the CB Series - knew we were a virtual no-chance in the WC.
For me, they were equally filled with numbing inevitability, even though we had a stab at victory in each of the last 4 Tests.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
The point he was making was - why did you vote on the poll?
Athlai
Not Terrible
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I - and I suspect most - agree 100% with your sentiments - and this is coming from three unabashed ODI>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Twenty20 guys, all remember.
I seriously didn't realise quite the extent to which the Ashes mania reached, though.
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Same reason all those non-England-fans voted on the Vaughan poll, probably.
Matt79
Hall of Fame Member
I agree with everything Pasag said.
The other thing on top of that is that most Australians actually saw the Ashes. The WC was on at pretty much the worst possible time to be watched in Australia and it was only fanatics, like most of us here, who stayed up to watch any of the games bar the final. And even then, I know for me the final was the only game I watched all the way through, and I was honestly struggling at the start of the Sri Lankan innings. The Ashes were also on free-to-air tv, rather than being split between free-to-air and pay tv, which only a minority of fans have. Even the '05 Ashes were on at a decent time, with play starting circa 9pm, rather than midnight. For most Australian fans, as is the case everywhere I suppose, if they don't see it, it never happened, whereas if they saw it, its the only thing that matters. You can see that in the over-inflated regard any player who has a decent tour of Australia is held, and in the derision accorded any otherwise good player who struggles over here. The main reason I think so many Aussies don't rate Murali is because he's not really ever played to his potential in Australia - and his performances around the world that weren't readily accessible on tv here mean diddly to your average fan.
Now, I think even if this wasn't the case, we'd still prefer the Ashes, because there's nothing better than thrashing England in cricket, especially when the poor sods thought they had a chance, but the accessibility of the games.
The other thing on top of that is that most Australians actually saw the Ashes. The WC was on at pretty much the worst possible time to be watched in Australia and it was only fanatics, like most of us here, who stayed up to watch any of the games bar the final. And even then, I know for me the final was the only game I watched all the way through, and I was honestly struggling at the start of the Sri Lankan innings. The Ashes were also on free-to-air tv, rather than being split between free-to-air and pay tv, which only a minority of fans have. Even the '05 Ashes were on at a decent time, with play starting circa 9pm, rather than midnight. For most Australian fans, as is the case everywhere I suppose, if they don't see it, it never happened, whereas if they saw it, its the only thing that matters. You can see that in the over-inflated regard any player who has a decent tour of Australia is held, and in the derision accorded any otherwise good player who struggles over here. The main reason I think so many Aussies don't rate Murali is because he's not really ever played to his potential in Australia - and his performances around the world that weren't readily accessible on tv here mean diddly to your average fan.
Now, I think even if this wasn't the case, we'd still prefer the Ashes, because there's nothing better than thrashing England in cricket, especially when the poor sods thought they had a chance, but the accessibility of the games.
Slats4ever
International Vice-Captain
voted for the OD triumph!!! To be honest for a while now Australia's domination has been rightly questioned. However the performance in the Carribbean went a long way to re-establishing our team as one of the best teams ever.
Who knows what the future holds for the Australian team post McGrath and Warne and whether th World Cup was as good as it got, but to me it was very special how we dominated the world like that.
Who knows what the future holds for the Australian team post McGrath and Warne and whether th World Cup was as good as it got, but to me it was very special how we dominated the world like that.