tooextracool said:
how is it made up? the man isnt half as effective as what a seamer would be on a seamer friendly wicket and he cant bat and theres a player who bowls just like him whos more valuable in the side!
Malik does not bowl like Saqlain - he cannot bowl well on non-tuners.
Saqlain can, and yes, I do believe he would be as effective as a seamer on a seaming pitch, we've seen him do it plenty of times in ODIs.
yes i know but look carefully and see how many fast bowlers you have in your side ATM....whatever happens there will be plenty of occasions with you having to bowl your spinners at the death and even if you didnt with wickets in hand i wouldnt be surprised if the fast bowlers went for a truckload of runs.
And fortunately all these bowlers can contain and take wickets, on all surfaces (given that Razzaq can do it on a seamer and Malik on a turner).
Saqlain, meanwhile, has proven more than capable of bowling at the death, as has Shoaib. So except in exceptional circumstances, you bowl them at the death.
macgill isnt by any means a proven failure, and his success against SA proves that. he might not be 'world class' or even a proven player but that doesnt take away the fact that hes done well even if rarely.
Yes, he has, but doing well rarely (especially when most of those occasions were over 5 years ago) tends to suggest "proven failure" if those rarities have come amongst failures.
so you finally agree that failure against all sides counts now?
It certainly contributed to the like of Hussain patronising him and saying he shouldn't be batting up the order in England, yes.
It made people think he's a worse player than he is.
Hopefully he'll get the chance to redress that.
so marc disagreeing with you on the same fact means that no one agrees with me then?
marc simply looks at the results and makes assumptions (I've never actually heard him mention it before you brought it up, he normally insists all things called "Test" or "ODI" must be counted as such).
no he wasnt, because he struggled against most other sides away from home....and never played anywhere as well as he did in zimbabwe anywhere else in the world.
Aside from the fact that those Zimbabwe games count for more than you give them credit for:
His most recent away series produced a creditable average of 31.25 from 4 innings.
He averaged 39.60 in South Africa.
He averaged a more-than-reasonable 34.66 in NWS2001 (England).
He averaged a respectible 30.25 in the KCA Centenary tournament.
He also averaged a respectible 31.25 in the Sharjah Champions Trophy (though personally I'd say Sharjah is a second home to Pakistan).
If it's a crime that he didn't manage to average 89.33 in every away series, then fine, but personally I'd say his away achievements allied to his home ones and those in Zimbabwe are more than reasonable and certainly merit more than 48 ODIs.