Time to abolish floodlight cricket?

[nightprowler10]

It's probably countered by the general feeling that batting under lights is more difficult anyway.

Ditto.

 

[Pratters]

But is the dew factor really that big in anywhere apart from Inidia?

Good question. Even in India, it is not a factor in all venues or at all times of the year. Wherever it is a factor which gives undue advantage to one team, regardless of whether it is an Indian venue or a venue any where else, flood lit cricket shouldn't take place till a bankable solution to counter it is devised.

I do not know each country and venue where it is a factor though as I haven't gone that deep into the subject.

 

[luffy]

I like Night Cricket. It has a sort of feel to it that day games don't bring to it.

 

[Dravid]

The dew factor gives the toss a purpose, imo

 

[Sanz]

Aust. hinted that they lost the 96 WC because of the dew. I think it would be fairer to play four 25 over innings, so as both teams have similar conditions.

Didn't Australia play the QF, SF in 1996 similar conditions as well ?

Conditions are over-rated and have become pet excuse for poor performances.

 

[Jono]

No.

If you win the toss, you bat first, you score runs, you bowl the opposition out for under your score, with or without dew. Not hard.

 

[Slow Love™]

That is too small a sample size. It is also a slightly skewed stat because the earlier matches involved Bangladesh/Zimbabwe v Sri Lanka/West Indies.

I am also of the opinion that it's largely countered by the difficulty in batting under lights, but at least open365 has presented some kind of empirical information as to how it's affecting results.

Is there a study with a bigger sample that would help make the case that the difference is too uneven?

BTW, I've really enjoyed this tournament so far.

 

[Slow Love™]

Didn't Australia play the QF, SF in 1996 similar conditions as well ?

Conditions are over-rated and have become pet excuse for poor performances.

It probably comes down more to Mark Waugh failing, losing our way after a good second wicket stand (which we often used to do batting first in those days), and Healy dropping De Silva.

 

[Pratters]

It is a bit difficult to provide stats because I don't know in which matches dew did come into effect. I will provide a small sample which S Rajesh of cricinfo provided some time back. He said this then:

The numbers clearly indicate that of late, batting under lights is the way to go when playing in India. In the last couple of seasons (excluding the four matches in this tournament), all six day-night matches - each, incidentally, between two fairly well-matched sides - went in favour of the team chasing the target. On five of those six occasions, the captain winning the toss put the opposition in to bat, and each time, the decision was justified by the result.

I do reiterate the above is a small sample size as well but from what I have seen, when there is significant dew in matches in India at least, it becomes increasingly difficult for the bowlers to grip the ball, particularly the spinners in the second innings and the team batting second has a significantly easier time.

 

[andmark]

In England it just doesn't get dark enough early enough in summer to make it worthwhile, if it is dark enough it's probably raining. The current ICC matches are a farce because of the dew. There may be a case for continuing in Australia but even there the stats are heavily in favour of the team batting first. The one and only reason for One-Day International Cricket being played in England is because the TV companies want it.

They change the movement of the ball.

 

[open365]

It is a bit difficult to provide stats because I don't know in which matches dew did come into effect. I will provide a small sample which S Rajesh of cricinfo provided some time back. He said this then:

The numbers clearly indicate that of late, batting under lights is the way to go when playing in India. In the last couple of seasons (excluding the four matches in this tournament), all six day-night matches - each, incidentally, between two fairly well-matched sides - went in favour of the team chasing the target. On five of those six occasions, the captain winning the toss put the opposition in to bat, and each time, the decision was justified by the result.

I do reiterate the above is a small sample size as well but from what I have seen, when there is significant dew in matches in India at least, it becomes increasingly difficult for the bowlers to grip the ball, particularly the spinners in the second innings and the team batting second has a significantly easier time.

But does it really?

Vetorri bowled really well last game when the due was pretty prominent(they wiped the ball with a cloth nearly every ball).

 

[Neil Pickup]

Then howcome 11 sides who've batted first out of 15 games in the CT have won?

If you're going to use statistics, at least use ones that exist.

Out of 14 games played so far, 7 have been won by the team batting first...

 

[silentstriker]

If you're going to use statistics, at least use ones that exist.

Out of 14 games played so far, 7 have been won by the team batting first...

So basically, if there is a difference, its not even a big one.

Whats the problem?

 

[pasag]

It's a great system. Love all sports at night.

So no to the thread question.

 

[_Ed_]

It's a great system. Love all sports at night.

So no to the thread question.

Ditto.

 

[open365]

If you're going to use statistics, at least use ones that exist.

Out of 14 games played so far, 7 have been won by the team batting first...

So the real statistics are acctualy more supportive if my argument, thanks Neil.

 

[archie mac]

Didn't Australia play the QF, SF in 1996 similar conditions as well ?

Conditions are over-rated and have become pet excuse for poor performances.

They only batted first against the Windies in the Semi, I think they played NZ in the Qtr final and batted 2nd, but I could be wrong. It should be remembered that the dew does not effect all matches in India

Just on that WC final 96 I was quite embarrassed to be an Aussie when I heard that the Waugh brothers refused to sign any of the Sri Lankan players bats ect

 

[Pratters]

Vetorri bowled really well last game when the due was pretty prominent(they wiped the ball with a cloth nearly every ball).

Vettori despite bowling well over all... At a stage in the game certainly, Vettori did seem struggling with the ball because of the dew like when he gave 9 runs in an over. Martin Williamson who was doing cricinfo live ball by ball commentary during the time certainly felt the same as well. It is to Vettori's credit that he finished giving away only 52 runs but who knows, he might have given much lesser had it not been for the dew. A major reason it may be felt the Kiwis were not at a distinct disadvantage was because they did win in the end. Now no where have said that a team is guaranteed to win because of the dew advantage. If another team plays that much better, they can always win despite the dew factor.

 

[open365]

Harbajahan doesn't seem to have any problems gripping the ball tonight

 

[Mister Wright]

Run chases just don't seem right in the daytime.