This Krejza kid

[Mister Wright]

Nah, that didn't have that much to do with it for mine - but going for as many runs as he did was certainly a very poor performance. Was more the ODIs in SA in 2001/02 and somewhere else that I can't quite remember (says a fair bit about the bowling). And yeah that was a while ago, but the fact his domestic figures have generally been roundly woeful (and yes, at FC level - but his OD ones are hardly outstanding either), without change, I don't see anything to change my mind about that early impression.

That's not something that's going to alter a great deal at international level. OK, you'll get the odd Faisal Iqbal, but most international batsmen are high-quality, and certainly there's not been an abundance of seam or spin-friendly pitches these last 7 years.

Not being fair to Hauritz, as you haven't taken his first chance average into account. Had a lot of catches dropped off his bowling last OD season, and had some straight forward LBWs not given.

 

[Richard]

Well first-chance average is hardly an accurate term when the bowling equivalent is concerned... but I must say I've not heard about all these missed wickets of his TBH.

 

[Mister Wright]

Well first-chance average is hardly an accurate term when the bowling equivalent is concerned... but I must say I've not heard about all these missed wickets of his TBH.

Nah, big load of poo on your count. If you're going to use it to devalue very good batsmen who you don't like, it's fair enough to use it on under-rated bowlers who you don't like.

 

[Richard]

Eh? Where did I say something similar to the batting first-chance average (which I use to show the true worth of overrated batsmen rather than devaluing good batsmen) shouldn't be used on bowlers? I simply said I've seen no evidence Hauritz's such record would be much better than his scorebook record. I've read next to nothing about Hauritz having abnormal amounts of dropped chances or lbws turned-down.

 

[Precambrian]

Couldn't believe when i saw the practise game, how desperate have the Aussies become in the spin department. Krezja's bowling, at no point of time, looked anywhere near even Indian first class. I watched every ball of his, and i was tempted to compare him to Sehwag. Then arrive at a conclusion that Sehwag was the better considering his relative ability to deliver wicket taking deliveries once in a while. This guy was delivering 'hit me' balls time after time. The dots were more due to batsmen taking a break from hitting, than on merit. Rohit Sharma was so sarcastically condescending after his century when he said Krezja didn't bowl bad.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Giles wasn't a poor bowler, he was infinitely better than any fingerspinner in Australia currently or since the mid-1970s.

However, the reason he played so many Tests which he shouldn't have played was simple: the "you must have variation" rubbish.

Tim May and Colin Miller > Ashley Giles.

 

[bryce]

Hard to argue with that

 

[Nate]

Life > Richard.

 

[Julian87]

Australia are ignoring former internationals in Nathan Hauritz and Cullen Bailey, while Bryce McGain was a shoo-in to play before being injured, not to mention Cassons sudden departure after WIndies.
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Cullen's FC record is almost identical to Krejza's. But Krejza is more a wicket taker which is why I think he got the nod. Hauritz's is worse then both.

I was impressed with Bailey when I first saw him, but he isn't even FC standard atm and his record is worse than White's and Krejza's.

 

[NZTailender]

Only just noticed I mixed Cullen Bailey and Dan Cullen up. Always bound to happen.

 

[Julian87]

Everyone always criticises White's bowling which I think is unfair. Look at his FC record and besides McGain and possibly Casson, he is quite obviously the next best spinner in the country. Add the fact he'd make most test sides world wide besides Australia and India as a batsman alone and I think we have the best bet in India.Comparing him to Kumble is ludicrous, but I am doing it. He isn't a poor man's Kumble, but a bankrupt and considering suicide man's Kumble. He can do the job IMO. I reckon he will get picked to sure up the team as a whole. Even if Watson stays in the side there are 5 bowlers + Clarke and Katich if need be.Would be a defensive move along the lines of picking a team "less likely to lose" but I'd do it anyway in this situation.

 

[Top_Cat]

Everyone always criticises White's bowling which I think is unfair. Look at his FC record and besides McGain and possibly Casson, he is quite obviously the next best spinner in the country. Add the fact he'd make most test sides world wide besides Australia and India as a batsman alone and I think we have the best bet in India.Comparing him to Kumble is ludicrous, but I am doing it. He isn't a poor man's Kumble, but a bankrupt and considering suicide man's Kumble. He can do the job IMO. I reckon he will get picked to sure up the team as a whole. Even if Watson stays in the side there are 5 bowlers + Clarke and Katich if need be.Would be a defensive move along the lines of picking a team "less likely to lose" but I'd do it anyway in this situation.

More important than his style of bowling and ability, though, is that he barely bowled in any form of the game last year and I've not heard he was carrying an injury. Part-timers bowl more than 80 FC overs in a season (9 games to be precise). If for no other reason, he shouldn't be anywhere near a Test side if he's to be picked as a bowler. For reference, Symonds bowled more overs than that in 4 Tests, let alone what he also bowled in his QLD matches.

Considering White's workload, seriously, it's beyond a joke that he's in the squad for his bowling. Australia are basically picking a lower-order batsman.

 

[bryce]

White is also more than likely to leak runs, at least if they pick the four quicks India will find runs alot harder to come by. Clarke's bowling can hold a consistent tight line, as opposed to White, and when you have Clarke together with Katich you've got spinners' who can turn the ball each way

 

[pup11]

Everyone always criticises White's bowling which I think is unfair. Look at his FC record and besides McGain and possibly Casson, he is quite obviously the next best spinner in the country. Add the fact he'd make most test sides world wide besides Australia and India as a batsman alone and I think we have the best bet in India.Comparing him to Kumble is ludicrous, but I am doing it. He isn't a poor man's Kumble, but a bankrupt and considering suicide man's Kumble. He can do the job IMO. I reckon he will get picked to sure up the team as a whole. Even if Watson stays in the side there are 5 bowlers + Clarke and Katich if need be.Would be a defensive move along the lines of picking a team "less likely to lose" but I'd do it anyway in this situation.

Look your comparison of him with Kumble aren't totally off the mark, the major difference though is Kumble is a very accurate bowler whereas White sometimes gives an impression that he himself doesn't know where he is going to pitch the ball he is bowling.

The biggest reason for that is White' bowling action is really screwed up, he needs to work on his action and develop a lot better and rhythmic action if he wishes to improve his accuracy, on up and down pitches he can be dangerous if he bowls in the right areas and lets the pitch do the rest.

 

[Top_Cat]

Look your comparison of him with Kumble aren't totally off the mark, the major difference though is Kumble is a very accurate bowler whereas White sometimes gives an impression that he himself doesn't know where he is going to pitch the ball he is bowling.

The biggest reason for that is White' bowling action is really screwed up, he needs to work on his action and develop a lot better and rhythmic action if he wishes to improve his accuracy, on up and down pitches he can be dangerous if he bowls in the right areas and lets the pitch do the rest.

He'd probably need to spin the ball for that to be useful.

Refer to my post on the matter for weirder bowling actions than White's!

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=1690437&postcount=8

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Boof is the best spinner in Aus. Get him in.

 

[Xuhaib]

Carrom ball no more Mendis’s monopoly
Tuesday, October 07, 2008


MUMBAI: : The ‘carrom ball’ delivery will no longer be a monopoly of Sri Lankan spinner Ajantha Mendis as Australia’s new off-break bowler Jason Krejza, who is yet to play a single Test, also has this secret weapon, which he is certain to use against the India during the upcoming India-Australia series.

The 25-year-old Krejza’s mystery delivery is different to Muthiah Muralitharan’s doosra but is like Mendis’s carrom ball - a delivery held between the thumb and forefinger and squeezed out to spin slightly away from the right-hander.

“I have not interacted with this new bowler. Nor I have seen him bowling,” Mendis told a newspaper. However, Sri Lanka’s Australian coach Trevor Bayliss is aware about the bowler. “I saw him bowling this delivery in nets some few years ago. I don’t know how more he has developed his skill in this department in matches thereafter,” Trevor Bayliss said from Colombo.

Krejza is a good bowler but he will be under pressure to bowl against Indian batsmen on their home soil. Mendis has more (secret) deliveries under his sleeves,” Bayliss said while comparing Krejza with Mendis.

 

[pup11]

He'd probably need to spin the ball for that to be useful.

Refer to my post on the matter for weirder bowling actions than White's!

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=1690437&postcount=8

Well his wrong'un turns and maybe if the pitch assists him his leg-spinners might also grip, or atleast lets hope from an Aussies POV that it happens, anyways whether it spins for him or not, he needs to accurate with his line and lengths to be of any use.

 

[pup11]

Carrom ball no more Mendis’s monopoly
Tuesday, October 07, 2008


MUMBAI: : The ‘carrom ball’ delivery will no longer be a monopoly of Sri Lankan spinner Ajantha Mendis as Australia’s new off-break bowler Jason Krejza, who is yet to play a single Test, also has this secret weapon, which he is certain to use against the India during the upcoming India-Australia series.

The 25-year-old Krejza’s mystery delivery is different to Muthiah Muralitharan’s doosra but is like Mendis’s carrom ball - a delivery held between the thumb and forefinger and squeezed out to spin slightly away from the right-hander.

“I have not interacted with this new bowler. Nor I have seen him bowling,” Mendis told a newspaper. However, Sri Lanka’s Australian coach Trevor Bayliss is aware about the bowler. “I saw him bowling this delivery in nets some few years ago. I don’t know how more he has developed his skill in this department in matches thereafter,” Trevor Bayliss said from Colombo.

Krejza is a good bowler but he will be under pressure to bowl against Indian batsmen on their home soil. Mendis has more (secret) deliveries under his sleeves,” Bayliss said while comparing Krejza with Mendis.

I am sure this rumour has been spread by Krejza himself in hope of making his test debut.

 

[TT Boy]

Carrom ball no more Mendis’s monopoly
Tuesday, October 07, 2008


MUMBAI: : The ‘carrom ball’ delivery will no longer be a monopoly of Sri Lankan spinner Ajantha Mendis as Australia’s new off-break bowler Jason Krejza, who is yet to play a single Test, also has this secret weapon, which he is certain to use against the India during the upcoming India-Australia series.

The 25-year-old Krejza’s mystery delivery is different to Muthiah Muralitharan’s doosra but is like Mendis’s carrom ball - a delivery held between the thumb and forefinger and squeezed out to spin slightly away from the right-hander.

“I have not interacted with this new bowler. Nor I have seen him bowling,” Mendis told a newspaper. However, Sri Lanka’s Australian coach Trevor Bayliss is aware about the bowler. “I saw him bowling this delivery in nets some few years ago. I don’t know how more he has developed his skill in this department in matches thereafter,” Trevor Bayliss said from Colombo.

Krejza is a good bowler but he will be under pressure to bowl against Indian batsmen on their home soil. Mendis has more (secret) deliveries under his sleeves,” Bayliss said while comparing Krejza with Mendis.