Thilan Samaraweera: a victim of black magic?

[Migara]

You're the one talking "utter rubbish" when you say that SL pitches are one of the worst for batsman. Yeah, they're worse for opposition batsman, who are facing Murali - not other bowlers. Murali, Warne, Vaas and Pollock are the only bowlers who have good bowling records in Sri Lankan over an extended period of time. It's as flat as any other country with bowlers like Kumble, Bond, Gillespie, Vettori, Sharma, Hoggard, Steyn, Streak all struggling.

Your rubbish is more and more seen here. You have deliberately omitted Asif, Wasim, Waqar, Donald and Shchultz who have exemplary recurds in SL.

Here are the batting averages in each country since 2000, excluding ZIM and BAN.

Australia - 33.6
England - 31.6
India - 33.3
New Zealand - 28.2
Pakistan - 35.1
South Africa - 29.3
[b]Sri Lanka - 27.8[/b]
West Indies - 32.4

That will put rest to all your blabberings. Sri Lanka is the worst place for batsmen, followed by NZ and SAF. Flattest tracks are found in Pakistan and Australia.

Jehan Muburak averages 30 in first-class cricket. If he played in any different first-class system throughout the world, barring India or Pakistan, he would probably average under 20. He is a shocking batsman. Bad example mate.

Once again, bad one off example. Learn to ut things forward in a better way. You are clueless about what you are talking.

Exactly, and if non-subcontient batsman played the majority of their career in the subcontient then allot more batsman would be averaging over 50

So why only SC batsmen are called FTBs when the average more on SC than non SC, and non SC batsmen as Pietersen called "great" when the average in non-SC than in SC?

I doubt any of them would be confident enough to try reverse-slog-sweeping Murali over cover for six. Even if they were confident, I doubt they'd be able to pull it off.

They did not want it. They were confident enough to clear long off, long on and deep midwicket. (Or deep cover in the case of Warne)

How many Englishmen have averaged over 50 in Test Cricket in the past 30 years?

How many Sri Lankans averaged over 50 in test matches in last 20 years except current three?

Pfft, Indian pitches are more of an exhibition of how well batsman play on flat-tracks, as was illustrated in the recent India vs Australia series. Only pieces of brilliance from the likes of Murali, Kumble or Harbhajan at times have seen the pitches look un-flat.

Convieneitly forgot the Lankan pitches where the mighty aussies could be shot out for 120? Don;t run away from the comments. You have said that Lankan pitches are flat. Prove it now.

 

[Ikki]

You must have missed this post, Migara.

 

[Manee]

You must have missed this post, Migara.

Don't wish to quote it, for obvious reasons, but top post.

 

[Ikki]

Don't wish to quote it, for obvious reasons, but top post.

Thanks, but for the sake of honesty, having gone through them again right now, I think I'll have to find what I did to get those results for them to be valid. I forgot to link them so I lost the qualifications I put when entering the data. Doing them again (logically) I am getting different results. So I think until I get how I got those figures it's best to ignore them. I'll work on them and get the links in order for them to be properly scrutinised. This time, I'll also remove B/Z.

EDIT: yep, when I went through them 1 by 1 it doesn't look correct.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Those lists do not compensate for the relative strengths of the bowling attacks the visitors face in those countries tbh.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Your rubbish is more and more seen here. You have deliberately omitted Asif, Wasim, Waqar, Donald and Shchultz who have exemplary recurds in SL.

Here are the batting averages in each country since 2000, excluding ZIM and BAN.

Australia - 33.6
England - 31.6
India - 33.3
New Zealand - 28.2
Pakistan - 35.1
South Africa - 29.3
[b]Sri Lanka - 27.8[/b]
West Indies - 32.4

That will put rest to all your blabberings. Sri Lanka is the worst place for batsmen, followed by NZ and SAF. Flattest tracks are found in Pakistan and Australia.

This will put an end to your "blabberings" - Here are the real statistics which Ikki provided

Australia: Avg. 26.73 SR. 47.76
Sri Lanka: Avg. 27.34 SR. 45.45

Haha, that should shut you up. Even the really weak New Zealand batting lineup averages 7 more runs in Sri Lanka then Australia.

Australia one of the flattest pitches in world cricket? Australia has the widest variety of pitches of any country in world cricket if anything.

Seam & Bounce = Brisbane & Perth
Swing & Seam = Melbourne & Hobart
Spin = Sydney
Flat = Adelaide

Once again, bad one off example. Learn to ut things forward in a better way. You are clueless about what you are talking.

Learn to type properly mate. "ut" (to) and "recurds" (records) aren't proper words. Fool.

So why only SC batsmen are called FTBs when the average more on SC than non SC, and non SC batsmen as Pietersen called "great" when the average in non-SC than in SC?

Because atleast England provides some juicy wickets, with overhead conditions, that aren't all flat. I can't provide statistics because it isn't possible. I suggest you go watch some cricket in Europe.

They did not want it. They were confident enough to clear long off, long on and deep midwicket. (Or deep cover in the case of Warne)

Obviously didn't see Pietersen bat to Warne.

How many Sri Lankans averaged over 50 in test matches in last 20 years except current three?

Sri Lanka's only been around 30 years, opposed to England's 100+.

Convieneitly forgot the Lankan pitches where the mighty aussies could be shot out for 120? Don;t run away from the comments. You have said that Lankan pitches are flat. Prove it now.

Or how Australia made 500+ in the 3rd innings of a supposed "cracked" Sri Lanka pitch in the 3rd innings in Galle, 2004.

Looks like I've conquered all of your strong points. Game, set & match = wfdu_ben91

 

[Migara]

This will put an end to your "blabberings" - Here are the real statistics which Ikki provided

Australia: Avg. 26.73 SR. 47.76
Sri Lanka: Avg. 27.34 SR. 45.45

Wonderful. Still shows how difficult pitches in SL for touring batsmen. ENG, IND, PAK, SAF and NZ are better for touring batsmen than this. And look at the other side of stats as wll. VEn for home players SL is the worst. Ikki's post does not provide you information to say that Sri Lanka has flat batting tracks.

Haha, that should shut you up. Even the really weak New Zealand batting lineup averages 7 more runs in Sri Lanka then Australia.

You are taking non sense. Warne + McGrath + Gillespie + Lee vs Murali + Vaas in their home conditions? You are as insane as Ikki. Why take only single example? I can say that the best batting lineup of the era (Indians) averages 7 less in SL than in AUS. Going on same lines, it will shut up you as well.

Australia one of the flattest pitches in world cricket? Australia had the widest variety of pitches of any country in world cricket if anything.

Corrected it for you. Nowadays, every one is closed to a road. It was true pre 2000.

Seam & Bounce = Brisbane & Perth
Swing & Seam = Melbourne & Hobart
Spin = Sydney
Flat = Adelaide

Everyone is a onebig flat pancake these days.

Learn to type properly mate. "ut" (to) and "recurds" (records) aren't proper words. Fool.

I don't use the dictionary, and most of intelligent posters will realize they are slip of fingers rather than willful. Only retards like you will be picking up minor points to pick up fights when you have no point of your own to put.

Because atleast England provides some juicy wickets, with overhead conditions, that aren't all flat. I can't provide statistics because it isn't possible. I suggest you go watch some cricket in Europe.

Everyone knows that English and SouthAfrican wickets seam a lot. But few reatds of your proportion generalize that SC wickets are flat. And I have proven that SL wickets are difficult to both Lankan and visiting batsmen alike.

Obviously didn't see Pietersen bat to Warne.

I have seen. And you are the one who have not seen Navjot Singh Sidhu batting.

Sri Lanka's only been around 30 years, opposed to England's 100+.

Apparently subcontinet has 1.5 billion people opposed to 40 million else where

 

[Ikki]

Ok, fixed. Batting averages of countries, with the hosts and minnows excluded:

Australia: Avg. 26.86 SR 46.39

England: Avg. 30.97 SR 50.99

India: Avg. 31.87 SR 46.42

New Zealand: Avg. 30.88 SR 49.58

Pakistan: Avg. 34.43 SR 50.55

South Africa: Avg. 26.89 SR 49.56

Sri Lanka: Avg. 26.57 SR 42.58

West Indies: Avg. 35.32 SR 46.52

 

[Ikki]

Wonderful. Still shows how difficult pitches in SL for touring batsmen. ENG, IND, PAK, SAF and NZ are better for touring batsmen than this. And look at the other side of stats as wll. VEn for home players SL is the worst. Ikki's post does not provide you information to say that Sri Lanka has flat batting tracks.

Indeed, it does the opposite. Sri Lanka has among the hardest touring conditions it seems for batsmen. I had thought originally that maybe the amount of games they had played against minnows changed the stats to flatter Sri Lanka, but evidently not.

However, the stats of other subcontinental pitches do show that they are easier conditions for touring batsmen. And in that, Ben is right.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Wonderful. Still shows how difficult pitches in SL for touring batsmen. ENG, IND, PAK, SAF and NZ are better for touring batsmen than this. And look at the other side of stats as wll. VEn for home players SL is the worst. Ikki's post does not provide you information to say that Sri Lanka has flat batting tracks.

Yeah, for touring batsman because they have to face Murali.

You are taking non sense. Warne + McGrath + Gillespie + Lee vs Murali + Vaas in their home conditions? You are as insane as Ikki. Why take only single example? I can say that the best batting lineup of the era (Indians) averages 7 less in SL than in AUS. Going on same lines, it will shut up you as well.

You are talking nonsense if you think what you just posted is the truth because it totally condracts your initial arguement. If you think that is was easier for touring parties to make runs against Muralitharan & Vaas in Sri Lanka then what it was to make runs against McGrath, Warne, Gillespie & co then you are consequently admitting defeat, by saying that Sri Lanka is easier then Australia.

I don't use the dictionary, and most of intelligent posters will realize they are slip of fingers rather than willful. Only retards like you will be picking up minor points to pick up fights when you have no point of your own to put.

No need to get your undies in a bunch, princess. I don't need a dictionary to outsmart you.

Everyone knows that English and SouthAfrican wickets seam a lot. But few reatds of your proportion generalize that SC wickets are flat. And I have proven that SL wickets are difficult to both Lankan and visiting batsmen alike.

Yeah, on the last couple of the days of a Test Match, where Murali is weaving his music and the ball is turning all cylinders.

I have seen. And you are the one who have not seen Navjot Singh Sidhu batting.

Never heard of him. Are you trying to say his a better bat then Kevin Pietersen because he most likely averages 65 in first-class on flat subcontient decks?

 

[nightprowler10]

Good luck with that. I've confronted much more knowledgable cricket fanatics then you on this topic and overcome them all.

 

[Richard]

Good luck with that. I've confronted much more knowledgable cricket fanatics then you on this topic and overcome them all.

No you haven't. There are precious few who share my knowledgeability on Hayden's shortcomings.

You fail to comprehend when bowlers were past it or not. Pollock in particular, by saying that he lost his effectiveness in 2001, despite maintaining the exact same age of 20, for the next 3 years. You have absolutely no excuse for Hayden's success against Ntini and Vaas either so you say that overall, that both bowlers were rubbish.

Err, WTF? I have not and never will remotely countenance saying Chaminda Vaas is rubbish, he's just about my favourite bowler ever. However, he can be utterly diabolical as will as quite brilliant. Ntini is not "rubbish" either, but he isn't all that good.

Here are Hayden's 100's against good bowling attacks. Their career statistics that are shown are the bowlers averages at the time that Hayden faced them.

125 vs. West Indies, 1997 @ Adelaide
Bowlers: Courtney Walsh (323 wkts @ 25.47), Ian Bishop (132 wkts @ 22.55), Cameron Cuffy (7 wkts @ 43.71), Patterson Thompson (5 wkts @ 43.00), Carl Hooper (53 wkts @ 55.33), Jimmy Adams (15 wkts @ 43.60), Shivnarine Chanderpaul (3 wkts @ 111.33)

136 vs. New Zealand, 2001 @ Brisbane
Bowlers: Chris Cains (177 wkts @ 29.20), Dion Nash (93 wkts @ 28.48), Simon O'Connor (53 wkts @ 32.52), Daniel Vettori (106 wkts @ 33.31), Nathan Astle (30 wkts @ 49.60), Craig McMillan (21 wkts @ 43.76)

131 vs. South Africa, 2001 @ Adelaide
Bowlers: Shaun Pollock (254 wkts @ 20.46), Nantie Hayward (30 wkts @ 29.80), Makhaya Ntini (45 wkts @ 35.93), Jacques Kallis (105 wkts @ 28.20), Lance Klusener (78 wkts @ 37.34), Claude Henderson (18 wkts @ 33.27)

138 vs. South Africa, 2001 @ Melbourne
Bowlers: Allan Donald (328 wkts @ 21.77), Shaun Pollock (258 wkts @ 20.50), Nantie Hayward (32 wkts @ 31.34), Jacques Kallis (105 wkts @ 28.72), Claude Henderson (19 wkts @ 37.21), Lance Klusener (78 wkts @ 37.48)

105 vs. South Africa, 2002 @ Sydney
Bowlers: Allan Donald (329 wkts @ 22.10), Shaun Pollock (261 wkts @ 20.72), Jacques Kallis (106 wkts @ 29.66), Claude Henderson (19 wkts @ 43.84), Nicky Boje (48 wkts @ 27.06), Justin Ontong (0 wkts @ -)

122 vs. South Africa, 2002 @ Johannesburg
Bowlers: Allan Donald (330 wkts @ 22.25), Makhaya Ntini (46 wkts @ 37.84), Jacques Kallis (108 wkts @ 30.19), Andre Nel (8 wkts @ 36.12), Nicky Boje (49 wkts @ 29.63), Neil McKenzie (0 wkts @ -)

119 vs. Pakistan, 2002 @ Sharjah
Bowlers: Waqar Younis (357 wkts @ 23.22), Shoaib Akhtar (78 wkts @ 27.87), Danish Kaneria (39 wkts @ 23.83), Abdul Razzaq (48 wkts @ 31.83), Saqlain Mushtaq (181 wkts @ 28.09)

197 & 103 vs. England, 2002 @ Brisbane
Bowlers: Andy Caddick (220 wkts @ 29.60), Matthew Hoggard (60 wkts @ 34.16), Simon Jones (5 wkts @ 32.20), Craig White (47 wkts @ 39.44), Ashley Giles (55 wkts @ 38.21), Mark Butcher (10 wkts @ 32.00)

130 vs. Sri Lanka, 2004 @ Galle
Bowlers: Chaminda Vaas (230 wkts @ 30.45), Kumar Dharmasena (69 wkts @ 42.31), Muttiah Muralitharan (496 wkts @ 22.86), Tillakaratne Dilshan (0 wkts @ -, Sanath Jayasuriya (75 wkts @ 33.72), Upul Chandana (22 wkts @ 39.00)

138 vs. England, 2005 @ London
Bowlers: Stephen Harmison (138 wkts @ 28.49), Matthew Hoggard (173 wkts @ 29.63), Andrew Flintoff (143 wkts @ 32.31), Ashley Giles (137 wkts @ 38.66), Paul Collingwood (0 wkts @ -)

111 vs ICC World XI, 2005 @ Sydney
Bowers: Stephen Harmison (142 wkts @ 28.40), Andrew Flintoff (150 wkts @ 31.52), Jacques Kallis (184 wkts @ 31.63), Muttiah Muralitharan (568 wkts @ 22.23), Daniel Vettori (208 wkts @ 34.86)

137 vs. South Africa, 2005 @ Melbourne
Bowlers: Shaun Pollock (384 wkts @ 22.39), Makhaya Ntini (230 wkts @ 29.22), Jacques Kallis (187 wkts @ 31.80), Andre Nel (72 wkts @ 25.91), Nicky Boje (88 wkts @ 38.89), Graeme Smith (8 wkts @ 81.50)

102 vs. South Africa, 2006 @ Durban
Bowlers: Shaun Pollock (387 wkts @ 22.97), Makhaya Ntini (239 wkts @ 29.15), Nicky Boje (93 wkts @ 39.30), Andre Nel (81 wkts @ 27.20), Jacques Kallis (194 wkts @ 31.56)

153 vs. England, 2006 @ Melbourne
Bowlers: Matthew Hoggard (235 wkts @ 30.18), Andrew Flintoff (196 wkts @ 31.89), Stephen Harmison (187 wkts @ 30.36), Sajid Mahmood (19 wkts @ 36.05), Monty Panesar (40 wkts @ 33.15), Paul Collingwood (1 wkt @ 265.00), Kevin Pietersen (1 wkt @ 201.00)

124 vs. India, 2007 @ Melbourne
Bowlers: Zaheer Khan (170 wkts @ 33.60), RP Singh (29 wkts @ 32.89), Harbhajan Singh (251 wkts @ 30.72), Sourav Ganguly (32 wkts @ 49.93), Anil Kumble (591 wkts @ 28.63), Sachin Tendulkar (42 wkts @ 52.04)

103 vs. India, 2008 @ Adelaide
Bowlers: RP Singh (40 wkts @ 33.22), Irfan Pathan (100 wkts @ 31.41), Ishant Sharma (12 wkts @ 45.58), Harbhajan Singh (256 wkts @ 31.40), Anil Kumble (604 wkts @ 28.85), Virender Sehwag (18 wkts @ 41.61), Sachin Tendulkar (42 wkts @ 52.66), Sourav Ganguly (32 wkts @ 50.53)

I'm not sure what the point in listing the spinners is as that proves precisely nothing at all. And none of those seamers were much good at the time of those innings, except The Oval 2005, as I've already gone through. The only innings of much note there was that one. The rest were all classic examples of bashing wayward bowling on non-seaming decks.

 

[Richard]

Yeah, laughably idiotic statement, wasn't it?

 

[nightprowler10]

Yeah not taking sides here or anything but I've seen him argue and 'overcome' isn't the word I'd use.

 

[Uppercut]

Bahahahahaha. That's brilliant.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

No you haven't. There are precious few who share my knowledgeability on Hayden's shortcomings.

Err, WTF? I have not and never will remotely countenance saying Chaminda Vaas is rubbish, he's just about my favourite bowler ever. However, he can be utterly diabolical as will as quite brilliant. Ntini is not "rubbish" either, but he isn't all that good.

I'm not sure what the point in listing the spinners is as that proves precisely nothing at all. And none of those seamers were much good at the time of those innings, except The Oval 2005, as I've already gone through. The only innings of much note there was that one. The rest were all classic examples of bashing wayward bowling on non-seaming decks.

Walsh & Bishop were at their peak during 1996/97, Pollock & Kallis was at his peak during 2001/02, Shoaib Akhtar was at his peak during 2002, Vaas 2004 and Nel & Ntini were at their peak during 2005/06.

Yeah not taking sides here or anything but I've seen him argue and 'overcome' isn't the word I'd use.

Yeah, and I've seen you troll. You are totally useless when it comes to these parts of the forum. Contributing **** all and completely going out of your way to target unprovoked posters. All you've proven to me is that your opinion is absolutely worthless.

 

[Pratters]

Yeah, and I've seen you troll. You are totally useless when it comes to these parts of the forum. Contributing **** all and completely going out of your way to target unprovoked posters. All you've proven to me is that your opinion is absolutely worthless.

Joke of a response.

 

[pasag]

Learn to type properly mate. "ut" (to) and "recurds" (records) aren't proper words. Fool.

No need to get your undies in a bunch, princess. I don't need a dictionary to outsmart you.

Any more of this type of posting and you'll be banned. Please take some time to read the forum rules.

 

[nightprowler10]

Yeah, and I've seen you troll. You are totally useless when it comes to these parts of the forum. Contributing **** all and completely going out of your way to target unprovoked posters. All you've proven to me is that your opinion is absolutely worthless.

You got me!

 

[Richard]

Walsh & Bishop were at their peak during 1996/97, Pollock & Kallis was at his peak during 2001/02, Shoaib Akhtar was at his peak during 2002, Vaas 2004 and Nel & Ntini were at their peak during 2005/06.

Hayden's score against Walsh and Bishop involved apparently about 5 dropped catches. Completely worthless. Pollock was no longer any good on flat pitches by 2001/02 as I've already mentioned, and Kallis has never had a peak, he's always been up and down. Shoaib Akhtar barely bowled in the Hayden innings in Sharjah in 2002/03 because it was too hot, Vaas has never had a peak either, same as Kallis (he's always up-and-down and was 100% down in the game in which Hayden made twin centuries), and Ntini and Nel may have bowled OK in 2005/06 but they were handicapped by diabolical fielding.

Try again.