The Power of Hypocrisy - an anti BCCI rant

[Debris]

I am not gonna trust Waugh and Warne blindly like some Aussie supporter... I think an investigation would have shed a lot MORE light into what actually went on than what was reported. So that is a BIG BIG mistake by CA right there...

And as for wanting to change rules when your team is found out, check what Chappell had to say about the bouncer rules and Australia/Windies cricket...


I am saying this again and again. I am not trying to say CA did nothing for cricket.. They have done a lot but quite a few of it was motivated by personal needs juz like how it is happening with BCCI...

Well it did all come out in the end and it was basically Warne and Waugh took money for making pitch and weather reports. I have seen no credible source to say that they ever did anything more than that. The issue was the source of the money. CA handled it badly as I said and should have made it public but it is hardly a huge mistake. Unless you have some information the rest of us don't have.

Ian Chappell has a history with CA going back to the 70s and the pay dispute (he wanted more money, they did not want to give it to him). He has had an axe to grind against CA ever since and uses every opportunity to stick the knife in.

I remember the issue with the bouncers and the law was introduced because of concerns that the number of bouncers was making cricket boring (as was the number overs being bowled) and to simplify things for umpires. When the two bouncer rule was actually introduced, it could be argued that the side it disadvantaged most was...... Australia.

 

[Debris]

Who cares? Christ.

This is the most annoying quote ever. A site is set up to discuss issues in cricket and someone comes on and makes a post objecting to people discussing a cricketing issue.

 

[Dasa]

Take the topic of this thread for starters. There was an agreement in place that there would be a rotational policy in place which lasted exactly as long as it suited BCCI and no longer. And the people India have put up have been far less acceptable.

Sorry, that's rubbish. The BCCI was NOT the main force behind rejecting Howard, and it has no effect beyond forcing Australia/New Zealand to find someone new. It isn't a rejection of the rotational policy at all, so you're pretty much making **** up here.

They are trying to force other countries into not playing cricket while IPL is on.

Haha, and how have they been trying to 'force' countries to do that? Evidence please, since you're so demanding of evidence from others (re. Warne/Waugh scandal etc).

They took no action at all against Harbajan Singh and used the threat of a cancelled tour to get their way when he was found to have uttered racist comments.

There's a slight difference between alleged and found. He was not found to have uttered racist comments, he was suspected of having done so.

I wouldn't normally reply to this thread because frankly, the topic isn't such a big deal to me, but utter falsehoods like I've quoted are pretty poor. It's not like you have to make up **** to smear the BCCI, I'm sure you could do it without resorting to false claims.

 

[Flem274*]

I nominate Winston Peters.

 

[Debris]

Sorry, that's rubbish. The BCCI was NOT the main force behind rejecting Howard, and it has no effect beyond forcing Australia/New Zealand to find someone new. It isn't a rejection of the rotational policy at all, so you're pretty much making **** up here.


Haha, and how have they been trying to 'force' countries to do that? Evidence please, since you're so demanding of evidence from others (re. Warne/Waugh scandal etc).


There's a slight difference between alleged and found. He was not found to have uttered racist comments, he was suspected of having done so.

I wouldn't normally reply to this thread because frankly, the topic isn't such a big deal to me, but utter falsehoods like I've quoted are pretty poor. It's not like you have to make up **** to smear the BCCI, I'm sure you could do it without resorting to false claims.

Really, if it was not the BCCI who was it? Reporters have been saying that the vote was just a rubber stamp and agreement was that no-one would be rejected. This is respected cricket reporters, mind you, not just me. They also suggested the reason Howard was rejected was that he might force some accountability from BCCI. I haven't gone that far. The strange thing here is that Howard was called a racist for objecting to Zimbabwe's blatantly racist policies and this was suggested as a reason he was rejected. No official reason was given for rejecting him. Not sure what the policy is on posting links is but a 10 second search will find you the relevant articles.

Mike Procter hit Harbhajan Singh with a three-match ban after the Sydney test for making racist comments. That is more than just alleged. And then the BCCI threw a huge dummy spit and threatened to go home. Again extremely well documented.

Officials from the BCCI had been pushing for a window in the test program in April/May to allow for IPL. This was actually posted on the IPL website. I will concede this one though as there have since been statements from BCCI saying that room cannot be found to accommodate it and that enough of a natural window exists.

 

[honestbharani]

Well it did all come out in the end and it was basically Warne and Waugh took money for making pitch and weather reports. I have seen no credible source to say that they ever did anything more than that. The issue was the source of the money. CA handled it badly as I said and should have made it public but it is hardly a huge mistake. Unless you have some information the rest of us don't have.

Ian Chappell has a history with CA going back to the 70s and the pay dispute (he wanted more money, they did not want to give it to him). He has had an axe to grind against CA ever since and uses every opportunity to stick the knife in.

I remember the issue with the bouncers and the law was introduced because of concerns that the number of bouncers was making cricket boring (as was the number overs being bowled) and to simplify things for umpires. When the two bouncer rule was actually introduced, it could be argued that the side it disadvantaged most was...... Australia.

NO, it was the Windies.. Pretty simple fact, tbh..

 

[Dasa]

Really, if it was not the BCCI who was it? Reporters have been saying that the vote was just a rubber stamp and agreement was that no-one would be rejected. This is respected cricket reporters, mind you, not just me. They also suggested the reason Howard was rejected was that he might force some accountability from BCCI.

So, no evidence then, just conspiracy theories. All the evidence that we know currently points to other nations having doubts about Howard and the BCCI joining them at the last moment.

Mike Procter hit Harbhajan Singh with a three-match ban after the Sydney test for making racist comments. That is more than just alleged. And then the BCCI threw a huge dummy spit and threatened to go home. Again extremely well documented.

I like how you ignore the also extremely well documented Hansen report which did not prove any racism charge. It remains alleged, the word of one team against the word of another. It's upto you as to who you trust, but don't throw around terms like "he was found" when the evidence doesn't back you up.

Anyway, I'm tired of this topic. As I said, I just came in to correct your misconceptions - if you refuse to look at it objectively, then I can't do anything about it.

 

[honestbharani]

So, no evidence then, just conspiracy theories. All the evidence that we know currently points to other nations having doubts about Howard and the BCCI joining them at the last moment.


I like how you ignore the also extremely well documented Hansen report which did not prove any racism charge. It remains alleged, the word of one team against the word of another. It's upto you as to who you trust, but don't throw around terms like "he was found" when the evidence doesn't back you up.

Anyway, I'm tired of this topic. As I said, I just came in to correct your misconceptions - if you refuse to look at it objectively, then I can't do anything about it.

Hansen actually mentioned that even if Harbhajan did say the word he was alleged to have said, it would not be a racial insult in that context under normal application of that word......... Or something to that effect...


But as usual, why let facts get in the way of trolling abt the BCCI?

 

[Flem274*]

Wow, this topic went on about ten thousand tangents quick.

 

[Sir Alex]

Agree with Dasa. The Indian Board's worst irrefutable criticism is that it allowed a **** politician like Pawar to helm it.

 

[jeevan]

If the BCCI has this much clout, and is this much unafraid to throw it around - then what I don't understand is why, two years ago, it would agree to this rotation thing? Rotation of the presidency is a very recent development. Morgan, 2 years ago was the first. Pawar is the second.

It, apparently, has all the Asian votes sewn up. All it needs to do is fund ZC and WICB to the tune of a few million USD a year. And after that, every president of BCCI automatically acquires the ICC presidency.

 

[social]

If the BCCI has this much clout, and is this much unafraid to throw it around - then what I don't understand is why, two years ago, it would agree to this rotation thing? Rotation of the presidency is a very recent development. Morgan, 2 years ago was the first. Pawar is the second.

It, apparently, has all the Asian votes sewn up. All it needs to do is fund ZC and WICB to the tune of a few million USD a year. And after that, every president of BCCI automatically acquires the ICC presidency.

Why bother with the small stuff when they control the decisions which will financially reward their supporters e.g. 2014 T20 wc going to a country with poor cricket/tourism infrastructure and a largely impoverished population that wont be able to afford the tickets

 

[jeevan]

Why bother with the small stuff when they control the decisions which will financially reward their supporters e.g. 2014 T20 wc going to a country with poor cricket/tourism infrastructure and a largely impoverished population that wont be able to afford the tickets

What is the point being made here?
1. BD does not deserve to host a hit & giggles tournament.(their first one ever) and will not do a good job.
2. Cricket infrastructure (which is good enough for tests) is not good enough for said tournament.
3. In a world not influenced by the BCCI, a poor country like BD would never get a chance like this.
4. Some of the above.
5. All of the above.

 

[social]

What is the point being made here?
1. BD does not deserve to host a hit & giggles tournament.(their first one ever) and will not do a good job.
2. Cricket infrastructure (which is good enough for tests) is not good enough for said tournament.
3. In a world not influenced by the BCCI, a poor country like BD would never get a chance like this.
4. Some of the above.
5. All of the above.

Basically that they have only been awarded it in front of many more deserving countries (including India) because they support the BCCI

 

[Sir Alex]

Basically that they have only been awarded it in front of many more deserving countries (including India) because they support the BCCI

Yes. So what is the issue? I don't think crowds are going to be a problem if any of past tournaments held there are taken into consideration. They hosted the Champions Trophy in 1998 and they weren't a test nation then.

 

[silentstriker]

Haha, the Indian Ruby website is a million times more professional than the bcci's "website":

Welcome to Rugby India - The Official Website of the Indian Rugby Football Union

 

[Sir Alex]

Ah judge an organisation by it's website syndrom.

 

[pasag]

It is a bit weird they don't have one though. It's strange how they haven't adopted some of the best practices from the IPL. The IPL's internet and social media strategies were amongst the best cricket (or sport even) has seen. Part of the fun of following the last edition of the IPL was to see how far they could push the line doing online stuff that actual works and engages fans. It was so successful it's strange the parent hasn't adopted anything like it yet.

 

[Sir Alex]

It is a bit weird they don't have one though. It's strange how they haven't adopted some of the best practices from the IPL. The IPL's internet and social media strategies were amongst the best cricket (or sport even) has seen. Part of the fun of following the last edition of the IPL was to see how far they could push the line doing online stuff that actual works and engages fans. It was so successful it's strange the parent hasn't adopted anything like it yet.

They already have a functional website which serves their need. Dunno the need for a seperate site really.

 

[silentstriker]

BCCI the early adopters of this internet thing in 2009. Clearly not getting enough credit.

Their Cricket Information Management System is looking forward to 1998. Not quite as exciting as the excitement soon to be promised by the Gujarat cricket association tho. Obviously they are promising more excitement, which will be hard to handle..the webpage they have now is already pushing the limit of excitedness.

And for the record, I'm not judging the organization by its website. The website is far superior to the organization.