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The Next Great Bowler
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h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
If Bumrah's career was to end today, one could take that probably over any 12 test career ever in the last 100 years. Bloke has won us a test series in Australia and WI, a test match each in SA, Eng. Many would already put him in the list of top 3 Indian pace bowlers ever (which isn't an insanely high bar tbh, but still fantastic for some one with a short career).
Really concerned about his fitness though and should be one major hindrance if he is not going to become an ATG. Hopefully that action survives time.
Rabada has gone off the boil recently and how he carries this bowling attack on his shoulders after his seniors have retired will determine his real legacy. Has been superb for a good 3-4 years though.
Among the trio, Cummins is most likely to end up being an ATG for me. Has been fit and firing every time I have seen him. True gun.
MrPrez
International Debutant
If you're referring to people who played 12 matches then that's a pretty narrow margin.
But Duane Olivier would be in the discussion, albeit he only played 10 games:
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
If you're just talking about first 12 games, Philander beats him to start:
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
It's a good start for sure, and no doubt he'll have a fantastic career if he can avoid injuries, but yeah.
honestbharani
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Bumrah will be awesome with God's Grace. He and Cummins do something a lot more than someone like Rabada does, which is to set a batsman up and then get them out. They are 145+ kph bowling freaks who can outthink a batsman a la an Anderson or a Zaheer or a McGrath on their best day. As long as they can take care of their bodies, they will be up there. And Rabada will get there too, but he is not quite yet there I feel, mentally.
MrPrez
International Debutant
Rabada does this too, and just as well. You're suffering from recency bias following the India tour, I reckon.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
He does, but not to the level these guys do. Which is what I mentioned in the last line of that very post.
MrPrez
International Debutant
Yes, and I'm disagreeing. Looking at the last 12 months - where he has been in poor form - versus the good form of Bumrah and Cummins does not paint a fair reflection of his actual ability relative to these players.
honestbharani
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Bumrah has been playing LO cricket since 2016 and Cummins has been playing regularly for about 3 years now. I do not see it as form. Juz that Rabada has some more potential to grow, that is all. And his interview comments on Virat, among other things, did not speak of a very mature mind either. Neither does racking up demerit points just about every series.
MrPrez
International Debutant
And in this period, before his recent slump, Rabada was at least as good as both of them.
Dendarii
International Debutant
Which he hasn't been doing. His recent ban was as a result of his first demerit in almost two years.
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MrPrez
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Or, if you weren't being purposefully obtuse, you could read it as "form exists."
Case in point:
Dale Steyn averaged over 32 in 2009.
He averaged just under 30 in 2012.
Here are Rabada's season-by-season stats for reference.
OverratedSanity
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Rabada already has ~200 wickets which is pretty crazy to think about at around 23 even after a relatively mediocre patch of form
. Bumrah, even though he's been great so far barely has a little over 50 and already has a question mark over his long term fitness. His availability is potentially going to be a much bigger hurdle than any attitude problems rabada might have.
. Bumrah, even though he's been great so far barely has a little over 50 and already has a question mark over his long term fitness. His availability is potentially going to be a much bigger hurdle than any attitude problems rabada might have.
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vcs
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If Bumrah can continue swinging the red ball like he's done in the past few series (and stay fit of course), he's going to have lots and lots of success. I don't think many people would have expected him to move the ball both ways with exceptional control when he first got picked in the Test team.
RossTaylorsBox
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Holy balls I didn't realise Rabada's only 24.
honestbharani
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Bumrah is like the Kohli of bowling. 
StephenZA
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Overated?Bumrah is like the Kohli of bowling.
stephen
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Yeah he was insanely young when he debuted. Unfortunately this probably means he'll end up with a few stress fracture injuries over the years.
It'll be interesting to see who takes more wickets in their career between him and Cummins. Cummins is closing pretty fast on Rabada but Rabada is a bit younger.