No one has denied the same. You seem to be in denial of the points I mentioned regarding India playing fewer tests though when you state -marc71178 said:
Same length of time? Tendulkar has played more years but India has playedesser number of tests compared to Windies in the period as I stated.Marc said:
Why is number of Tests the important figure? Shouldn't it be number of innings? Lara has played 8 less Tests but 8 more innings than Tendulkar. He has 15 less not outs and averages less than 3 runs less. That shows how much pure runscoring he has done with an average of almost 54.Pratyush said:
Once again, you're missing the point. Its not about the quality of his runs is it? Its about how many runs he is getting, that's what shows up on the record. He is still getting large quantities, just not as well and as consistently as in the 90s. All these runs go to his record.marc71178 said:
I think it's fascinating that you choose to ignore 8 of Lara's 17 innings played last year as his form of late.Armadillo said:
Where do not outs come into this? When calculating an average, you remove the not outs from total innings. When calculating runs-per-innings, not outs are irrelevant. The fact is that if Tendulkar is to score the number of runs that Lara has after 214 innings, he would have to scored the difference of 800odd in 8 innings. Sachin Tendulkar has played 8 total innings less than Brian Lara.shankar said:
But the fact is that Tendulkar has played more Tests than Lara and scored less runs. Lara has played 8 more innings, but the difference in runs is substantial still. Therefore I don't see how number of Tests played by either can be a qualifying factor in this situation.Pratyush said:
Yes. But the whole runs-per-innings is a non-factor, because many batsmen do not get a CHANCE to finish their innings. Lara has been lucky that way- the fragilities in the WI batting over the past 10 years means WI almost never declares and whenever they are chasing runs, they are almost always chasing 300-400 totals, instead of a 150-200 target. As a result, Lara gets to bat till he drops - he can maximise his potential more often simply due to tihs fact. Logically speaking, if all batsmen were allowed to bat till they got out every single time, most batsmen would have the same average as they do now but more runs to make up the average.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Lucky?? You think Lara thinks "ah, well at least I'll get a full innings in today" when he goes out to bat at 10/2? That fact only makes Lara's accomplishments greater, because he's constantly under pressure when he goes out to bat.C_C said:
You seem to forget that Lara started playing cricket in 92 and Tendulkar in 99. Until around 2000 ( that is over 50% of their careers) Lara was in a stronger team - WI batting was marginally weaker than India's ( Dravid just comming to gear, no sehwag, Ganguly merely decent etc.) but with significantly stronger bowling lineup.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Lara may have debuted with the likes of Haynes and Greenidge, but before his 10th Test, both were gone. As support, he had people like Phil Simmons (22.26), Keith Arthurton (30.71), Stuart Williams (24.14) and Carl Hooper, who averaged in the low 30s before 1999/00.C_C said:
The West Indies clinically makes mediocre scores. Lara does not get more of a chance to score runs, because he neither has enough partners nor does he have the "last man bats on" rule on his side.C_C said:
How often is the West Indies 250 all out?C_C said:
Don't be ridiculous. That Lara averages as much as he does when he's usually the only person willing to stay at the crease magnifies his achievements. When your team is getting beaten within 3 and 4 days and getting bowled out for less than 300 and 200 on a consistent basis, it's not as though you've got a lot of time to score runs. Make sense please.C_C said:
Yeah. So why does he not remain not out more often ?Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Say what? Because he has to score runs before he runs out of partners.C_C said:
He is human. He can not dispatch the ball to the boundary at will. Oh, and he's also not Kallis. Lara is not one to stand around and preserve his wicket when he's running out of partners.
