The greater test series performance : Bradman vs SA(1931) vs Barnes vs SA(1913)

[Johan]

Weekes average reached 60 in his 7th innings and never went down 60 until his 76th innings! 60+ average for 68 innings!

Weekes averages 74.6 when not injured/struggling with health issues, I think.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Hutton also had exceptionally tougher wickets, harder batting role and he faced one of the strongest attacks of all time (the Invincibles) over and over and averaged 57 against them barring his final series. Viv has a higher reputation and was more dominant, the anonymity with which Viv is viewed as the best of his time is absurd.

All these even after Hutton lost his prime years due to War and even injured his hand that it lost some inches and he altered his technique with the abandonment of hook and still succeeded after that! that Temparament is commendable.

 

[Johan]

Weekes averages 74.6 when not injured/struggling with health issues, I think.

@Cricket Bliss

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/53241.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;series=102;series=107;series=111;series=118;series=82;series=84;series=88;series=98;template=results;type=batting

 

[Johan]

All these even after Hutton lost his prime years due to War and even injured his hand that it lost some inches and he altered his technique with the abandonment of hook and still succeeded after that! that Temparament is commendable.

Yeah, it's kind of crazy what Hutton achieved when he quite literally could not play a high angled Hook shot.

 

[vidiq]

Weekes average reached 60 in his 7th innings and never went down 60 until his 76th innings! 60+ average for 68 innings!

Sutcliffe average never dropped below 60 throughout his career from the beginning.

 

[Johan]

Sutcliffe is one of the greats of the game.

 

[DrWolverine]

Never averaging below 60 despite playing 50 Tests is a remarkable achievement

 

[Coronis]

@Cricket Bliss

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/53241.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;series=102;series=107;series=111;series=118;series=82;series=84;series=88;series=98;template=results;type=batting

Imagine what would happen if we took out every game where a player had some form of injury. They’d all have pretty stats

 

[Johan]

Imagine what would happen if we took out every game where a player had some form of injury. They’d all have pretty stats

I actually am in support of removing injury influenced games tbh considering how often they were played in 50s and 60s, but sadly they're played so little today....

wait wtf that's a good thing

 

[Coronis]

I actually am in support of removing injury influenced games tbh considering how often they were played in 50s and 60s, but sadly they're played so little today....

wait wtf that's a good thing

I mean how do you define an injury or illness? Should all Hutton and Compton’s post-war matches be removed?

 

[Johan]

I mean how do you define an injury or illness? Should all Hutton and Compton’s post-war matches be removed?

Me personally? for Hutton, his hand issue was permanent and could never have been fixed, and he worked around it pretty well but sadly, his 100% at that point was with the hampered hand, so I just acknowledge that he was biologically challenged but take his post war career anyway because the "injury" was a permanent deformity that was with him for the rest of his life even when he was at 100%, I do say he might've been better had he not had that deformity but as they say, It is what it is and most I can do is acknowledge it and I'm a little lenient on his struggles immediately after the war considering he was reinventing his technique. with Compton, his knee issues were recurring and kept flaring up, in 1949-50 and then in 1955 where he just got a surgery to play a couple more years, as you know, I have similar opinions regarding his 1950-51 Ashes as Bill Johnston's 1953 Ashes, but other than that he seemed to be able to play like he always did just with the risk of the injury flaring up again.

All in all, I think when a series clearly deviates from the common performance of a Cricketer and he also happens to be influenced by a one-off injury that he'd not play with during the majority of his career, it gives me the idea that the failiure was influenced by the injury and the one time hindrance more than it was a matter of skill.

 

[Johan]

for example, Warne's 1999 Frank Worrell trophy, worst series of his career bar his debut games, clearly influenced by having a severe arm problem.

 

[Coronis]

for example, Warne's 1999 Frank Worrell trophy, worst series of his career bar his debut games, clearly influenced by having a severe arm problem.

What about Tendulkar?

 

[ankitj]

Maybe one can do a poll to rank top 25 series performances like we have done for players

 

[The Sean]

Warne also had well-publicised toenail issues on each of his tours to India, so I'm told.

 

[Johan]

What about Tendulkar?

wasn't he influenced by Tennis Elbow by 6 years? if that was the case, he's in the same thing as Viv and Lara's pterygium/eye issues, sad but became a part of their careers, and wasn't a once-in-many-years one off thing.

 

[Coronis]

wasn't he influenced by Tennis Elbow by 6 years? if that was the case, he's in the same thing as Viv and Lara's pterygium/eye issues, sad but became a part of their careers, and wasn't a once-in-many-years one off thing.

“My tennis elbow injury, unfortunately, happened at the beginning of the season (2004-05). I was not even able to hold a bat then” - actual quote from Tendulkar. Who then subsequently had surgery.

 

[Johan]

“My tennis elbow injury, unfortunately, happened at the beginning of the season (2004-05). I was not even able to hold a bat then” - actual quote from Tendulkar. Who then subsequently had surgery.

I don't really know Indian Cricket lore that well tbh

 

[Coronis]

I don't really know Indian Cricket lore that well tbh

iirc tennis elbow isn’t chronic and shouldn’t persist after treatment and rest but I could be mistaken

 

[DrWolverine]

Tennis elbow

Pretty much everyone in India knew about this term back then thanks to Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar