The evolution of LOIs in your lifetime

[_00_deathscar]

How do CWers think batting strategies have changed? Cant be all conditions and fielding restrictions.

It's all interlinked isn't it? Batsmen are more confident as a result etc etc.

 

[Prince EWS]

To be fair, lots of blokes get caught on the boundary on modern cricket precisely because it has spun. Short boundaries and huge bats mean that's the sort of distance miscues are going after batsmen are beaten in flight and then getting a leading or outside edge on a slog. Non-spinning deliveries that the batsman has read as such can usually be deposited through the line even if the batsman has been beaten in flight.

Unless the bowler is Jadhav, then it's just h4x.

 

[turnstyle]

Flintoff was awesome in ODIs.

I'll take it back. I'd say Root, but does CW count 121 matches as a big enough sample size?

 

[Bolo]

A bit like Steve Smith. Very good without being excellent. A little underwhelming compared to their test successes.

True about Smith, but to give him his due considering you are replying to a post focusing on a WC, I'm not sure his consistency in the knockouts (ie. where it counts) of 2015 has ever been matched.

 

[trundler]

Perhaps Warne in 99' matches him.

 

[Prince EWS]

I'll take it back. I'd say Root, but does CW count 121 matches as a big enough sample size?

Root and Buttler will probably be there by the time they call it a day, but it's always a bit fraught with danger to try and rate current players in this way.

 

[trundler]

Unless they're Kohli. I'd say he's one great WC knockout innings away from establishing himself as the ODI GOAT.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Unless they're Kohli. I'd say he's one great WC knockout innings away from establishing himself as the ODI GOAT.

Yea his ODI exploits at the moment, World Cup excepted, are making Sachin's ODI career look like he trundled through.

Having said that, if Kohli doesn't perform in WC, knockouts specifically, and India doesn't win the WC during his career (2013 doesn't really count for Kohli), we could have a Messi vs Maradona situation/debate at our hands.

 

[trundler]

Klusener is another example. Gets overlooked because he never won a world cup, though he did well in knockouts. Pollock averages 31 in knockouts also. On the flip side there are Warne and Aravinda.

 

[wpdavid]

I can remember this one

Me too. I wonder what happened to that Indian opener who blocked his way to 36* in 60 overs. Great WC actually.
Things didn't really change until 1992 when NZ switched things around with Greatbach opening and Crowe juggling his bowlers more than we'd seen previously. The impact of SL in 1996 has always been a bit overstated imo, as their openers had naff all to do with them winning the matches that counted. But clearly there had been a shift in mind-set by then.
And I agree with whoever it was said that the 1999 WC was one of the best ever. Maybe let down by a lame final, but the Aus vs SA semi-final was probably the greatest ODI ever.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Bring back reverse swing.

The sissy batsmen started to complain about the ball...which resulted in two balls per innings.

What a travesty. Sissy ****ers batsmen.

 

[trundler]

Surprisingly Gavaskar's SR isn't too bad for the era he played in. It's close to Greenidge and Miandad's actually. Then again, reputation based on world cup matches is all that counts.

 

[ankitj]

Tendulkar wasn't that great in 99 World Cup was he?

Also surprised to see that Dravid top scored that World Cup! 461 runs, a clear gulf over Steve Waugh's 398. Bizarre.

Dravid had a dream world cup. Kept scoring runs every game. Ably supported by Ganguly. Their record partnership against defending champion Sri Lanka was brutal.

 

[wpdavid]

Surprisingly Gavaskar's SR isn't too bad for the era he played in. It's close to Greenidge and Miandad's actually. Then again, reputation based on world cup matches is all that counts.

Or even one match when it was such a memorable innings.
Conversely, I'm tempted to rate Collis King as a great ODIer due to his innings in the 1979 final, but for all I know that may have been his only worthwhile contribution.

 

[Bolo]

Perhaps Warne in 99' matches him.

Fair shout. I meant as a bat though. I don't know bowlers records as well. It wouldn't surprise me if Mcgrath or Garner had something comparable as well.

Unless they're Kohli. I'd say he's one great WC knockout innings away from establishing himself as the ODI GOAT.

He's still a bit behind AB I reckon. SR is a little more important than average, plus AB did it in a tougher era (although there is plenty of overlap). He could end up above AB, but it would take more than one WC innings to emulate ABs WC record.

Plus there is Viv. If either AB or Kohli had never played, I'd likely award the other the title of GOAT. But their coexistence weakens the argument of either.

 

[trundler]

The 3 of them along with Tendulkar would be well clear of the next best though.

It always looked like AB got himself out. That is also the impression I get from Greg Chappell.

 

[trundler]

Something else which illustrates how ODIs have changed:

England were 119 for 6 in the 20th over. Almost a run a ball despite being feet deep in ****.

 

[Bolo]

The 3 of them along with Tendulkar would be well clear of the next best though.

It always looked like AB got himself out. That is also the impression I get from Greg Chappell.

Agree entirely. I think the 3 of them are just about as far ahead of Tendulkar as he is of whoever the number 5 bat is as well.

 

[trundler]

Agree entirely. I think the 3 of them are just about as far ahead of Tendulkar as he is of whoever the number 5 bat is as well.

Are we separated twins or something? We seem to agree on almost every cricketing opinion.

 

[vcs]

My current rating would be Richards > Tendulkar > Kohli > AB (I expect Kohli to have overtaken Sachin by the end of his career though).