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The England Thread
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Magrat Garlick
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We've already got Bell to play that role at three, it's about the only thing which works in the England ODI side at present. Can't really afford another one who strikes at about 60-65, especially not on WI pitches where England are going to need 280-300 more often than not.aussie said:
My side for the World Cup
Tresco
Joyce
Bell
Strauss
Collrymple
Pietersen
Flintoff
+Read
Harmison
Tremlett
Broad/Lewis
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Yea but the thing is if Vaughan comes back a lot of confusion & i reckon Fletcher will want to play him even if its at the expense of someone i.e Bell. The best thing i guess is him not to get fit, but out of him & Jones i would rather Simon to be able to play than him TBH.
Fair side BTW, would have Strauss opening i think him & Tres will be fine at the top & would also play Colly & Dalrymple.
Fair side BTW, would have Strauss opening i think him & Tres will be fine at the top & would also play Colly & Dalrymple.
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
not enough bowling for mine, no spinner either and Flintoff too low, think you need two for WI.Samuel_Vimes said:
Tresco - if he sorts his head out, i've had just about enough of his ****
Bell
Strauss/Cook
Pietersen
P Colrymple
Flintoff
Yardy
J Colrymple/A Giles
Read
Harmison/ANother
Anderson
Magrat Garlick
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Ah yeah, forgot Jimmy. Slot him in for Broad/Lewis.superkingdave said:
However, I reckon that having Pietersen anywhere above six is asking for trouble. With him in the last ten overs England can make 100, but at four he'll keep scratching around for 20-25 in the middle overs.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Agree with Dave's idea of playing two spinners in the Caribbean.
Trescothick
Strauss
Bell
KP
Flintoff
Collingwood
Dalrymple
Read
Yardy/Giles
Harmison
Anderson
BACK-UPS: Joyce, Lewis/Simon Jones, Mahmood, Loye/Cook.
This would probably be the best side presuming that Vaughan & Simon Jones don't get fit by time the VB series comes around because England will pick them & its bound to cause some confusion in the ODI side, but i would take Jones if he is ready TBH.
With the XI, in the middle order with KP i think he should bat up at #4 or #5 based on the situation i.e if England's top 3 bat for the 1st 20-25 overs let him stay at #4 if not Freddie could go up to 4 & he could be saved for later.
Trescothick
Strauss
Bell
KP
Flintoff
Collingwood
Dalrymple
Read
Yardy/Giles
Harmison
Anderson
BACK-UPS: Joyce, Lewis/Simon Jones, Mahmood, Loye/Cook.
This would probably be the best side presuming that Vaughan & Simon Jones don't get fit by time the VB series comes around because England will pick them & its bound to cause some confusion in the ODI side, but i would take Jones if he is ready TBH.
With the XI, in the middle order with KP i think he should bat up at #4 or #5 based on the situation i.e if England's top 3 bat for the 1st 20-25 overs let him stay at #4 if not Freddie could go up to 4 & he could be saved for later.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
well another disappointing ODI tournament performance from England, but i don't think the nucleus of the squad should change (other than probably Pothas getting a late call up if Read doesn't do well in the VB series but its a bit unlikely), but i again maintain that once England play at full-strenght the ODI team will be competitive in the WC.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
England ODI XI
i)Loye
ii)Bell
iii)Cook
iv)Strauss
v)Pietersen (drifting)
vi)Collingwood
vii)Flintoff (drifting)
viii) Read
ix)Mahmood
x)Anderson
xi)Panesar
Anderson, Panesar, Flintoff and Mahmood can all bowl 10 overs, and Collingwood and Pietersen can bowl 5 each.
i)Loye
ii)Bell
iii)Cook
iv)Strauss
v)Pietersen (drifting)
vi)Collingwood
vii)Flintoff (drifting)
viii) Read
ix)Mahmood
x)Anderson
xi)Panesar
Anderson, Panesar, Flintoff and Mahmood can all bowl 10 overs, and Collingwood and Pietersen can bowl 5 each.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
What's wrong with them. Pietersen started off as an Off spinning all rounder.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Loye - great fan of him since he plays for Lancashire, great in domestic OD cricket but i fear he would struggle at the international level, plus England have better options.
Cook - another Vaughan in the making IMO, doesn't really improvise which is crucial in ODI's these days.
Panesar - at the moment i won't have him in the ODI team, since the likes of Dalrymple, Yardy & even Giles offer more overall, once he keeps improving i'll have him in the ODI side in another few years.
Cook - another Vaughan in the making IMO, doesn't really improvise which is crucial in ODI's these days.
Panesar - at the moment i won't have him in the ODI team, since the likes of Dalrymple, Yardy & even Giles offer more overall, once he keeps improving i'll have him in the ODI side in another few years.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
That's ok.
Dalrymple is a better batter than he is given credit for I think. He has got a good solid technique, and has the making to become a pretty decent, but not great, one day all rounder.
Dalrymple is a better batter than he is given credit for I think. He has got a good solid technique, and has the making to become a pretty decent, but not great, one day all rounder.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
I couldn't really decide whether if Panesar was released to the List A game, then he might turn to be a more defensive bowler, which would be a disaster for English cricket. He shouldn't ever play in Twenty20 games, for Northamptonshire or England for that reason.aussie said:
aussie
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Well based on what has occured in the Champions Trophy, this is what i finally think the World Cup squad should be:
1.Flintoff
2.Pothas
3.Trescothick
4.Strauss
5.Bell
6.Pietersen
7.Collingwood
8.Joyce
9.Dalrymple
10.Mascarenhas
11.Giles
12.Harmison
13.Anderson
14.Lewis
15.Mahmood
I really think Mascarenhas & Pothas should get called up, i know England only have the VB series left to decide their ODI squad, but if the selectors really are thinking about the best combination to win the World Cup they should pick Mascarenhas and Pothas especially.
Pothas for one can bat anywhere in the top order and i reckon he will be much safer behind the stumps than anyone in the country since he seemingly has kept very efficiently to Warne. I'd even keep put him the test side as well despite being 32 ATM since i really believe Read won't score runs down under (although i'm a fan of Reado) & the likes of Jones, Prior aren't good enough, and Pothas can easily play as long as he can contribute at the international level, since Gilly is almost 35 & Stewart played to 40 & Pothas hasn't being caught up in the hectic international scheduling of late so i don't see why he cant. So England cant work with Pothas until hopefully young Steve Davies is ready to step up to the great potential that he has on the international stage.
But if not one can look at the improving James Foster, but i rather Pothas
Mascarenhas from what i've seen of the bloke would be a perfect fit in the current ODI squad, his bowling is similar in pace to Ian Harvey and can be a destructive late hitter.
Giles also would be in for me, Yardy has been very good so far with the ball but his batting is definately out of depth at this level after intially looking ok & we can't afford that since intially he was picked as a batsman who can bowl a la Dalrymple, Giles has we all know is a solid with the willow & since 2002 at least has been solid performer in the ODI side.
1.Flintoff
2.Pothas
3.Trescothick
4.Strauss
5.Bell
6.Pietersen
7.Collingwood
8.Joyce
9.Dalrymple
10.Mascarenhas
11.Giles
12.Harmison
13.Anderson
14.Lewis
15.Mahmood
I really think Mascarenhas & Pothas should get called up, i know England only have the VB series left to decide their ODI squad, but if the selectors really are thinking about the best combination to win the World Cup they should pick Mascarenhas and Pothas especially.
Pothas for one can bat anywhere in the top order and i reckon he will be much safer behind the stumps than anyone in the country since he seemingly has kept very efficiently to Warne. I'd even keep put him the test side as well despite being 32 ATM since i really believe Read won't score runs down under (although i'm a fan of Reado) & the likes of Jones, Prior aren't good enough, and Pothas can easily play as long as he can contribute at the international level, since Gilly is almost 35 & Stewart played to 40 & Pothas hasn't being caught up in the hectic international scheduling of late so i don't see why he cant. So England cant work with Pothas until hopefully young Steve Davies is ready to step up to the great potential that he has on the international stage.
But if not one can look at the improving James Foster, but i rather Pothas
Mascarenhas from what i've seen of the bloke would be a perfect fit in the current ODI squad, his bowling is similar in pace to Ian Harvey and can be a destructive late hitter.
Giles also would be in for me, Yardy has been very good so far with the ball but his batting is definately out of depth at this level after intially looking ok & we can't afford that since intially he was picked as a batsman who can bowl a la Dalrymple, Giles has we all know is a solid with the willow & since 2002 at least has been solid performer in the ODI side.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Off the top of my head, my 15 at this moment
Flintoff
Tresco
Strauss
Bell
Collingwood
Pietersen
Dalrymple
Giles
Mahmood (unless Simon Jones is fit)
Lewis
Anderson
G.Jones
Cook
Joyce
Harmison, I loathe to pick him, but can't think of any better options at this moment. Not sure he'll ever play an ODI again tbh.
Flintoff
Tresco
Strauss
Bell
Collingwood
Pietersen
Dalrymple
Giles
Mahmood (unless Simon Jones is fit)
Lewis
Anderson
G.Jones
Cook
Joyce
Harmison, I loathe to pick him, but can't think of any better options at this moment. Not sure he'll ever play an ODI again tbh.