PhoenixFire
International Coach
Mahmood has pace and bounce and can swing it, as can can both Plunkett and Broad. Ealham has neither of those things.
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The England Thread
- Thread starter Barney Rubble
- Start date
Ash_A55
U19 Captain
They wouldn't be able to make the step up IMO
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
I'd rather any of those 3 than a county bowler of the likes mentioned before.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
What do people actually think of Jon Lewis as option? (I know he's gone home now - but I'm talking post WC..). He seems to fit the description of the whole "county bowler" thing and when I first saw him bowl, I literally laughed and claimed he was the worst I'd ever seen England send out. However, as he's played more, I've grown to him... his record is great, and even though he looks rubbish and he looks like he'd get smashed if the ball wasn't moving, he isn't and doesn't. As long as he isn't asked to bowl at the death, he usually does a pretty good job, whether the ball is moving or not, as he can bowl effective cutters on the slower, deader tracks. When the ball moves up front, he can be genuinely hard to play, and his accuracy is infinitely better than the other bowlers.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It's hard to judge Lewis because of the limited situations he can bowl and he's weak in the field and with the bat. He's played most games at home, in a lot of day-night games and generally speaking he's played in games where the scoring by the opposition has been signficantly lower than on average:
190ao
252-9
223ao
169-3 (chased down a target in a 40 over match)
274-8 (chased down a target)
235-8
154-9
272-4
246-2 (chased down a target)
205-9
156-6 (chased down a target)
210ao
Playing in those matches will make your stats look better, especially with his style of bowling. Because he's not really played in a fair range of conditions he's largely an unknown. Obviously everyone knows he's generally very effective when the wicket is doing a bit.
190ao
252-9
223ao
169-3 (chased down a target in a 40 over match)
274-8 (chased down a target)
235-8
154-9
272-4
246-2 (chased down a target)
205-9
156-6 (chased down a target)
210ao
Playing in those matches will make your stats look better, especially with his style of bowling. Because he's not really played in a fair range of conditions he's largely an unknown. Obviously everyone knows he's generally very effective when the wicket is doing a bit.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
I couldn't argue with much of that, beyond wondering if some of the low scores are because Lewis actually did some damage with the new ball, unlike much of what we saw in 2006.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Lewis hasn't a particularly great strike rate (worse than Flintoff and Harmison for example), so while he's been very economical (4 an over) he's not had a great effect on scores by taking wickets. He's had one 3-fer (190ao - Harmison took 4 wickets and even Gough took 2) and one 4-fer (156-6) so like I say, not a great effect.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Interesting. I think he's been unlucky, insofar as he should have played ahead of nearly all of the guys who featured in the 0-5 SL debacle, and of course his injury in Aus. However, having got to where we are now, his time has probably passed. afaics Plunkett & Mahmood have both improved beyond recognition since the SL oneday series, and it's pretty obvious where the future lies. Maybe Fletcher might actually get some credit for spotting them one day. With Anderson back as well, it's hard to see many prospects for Lewis, barring lots of injuries.
Salamuddin
International Debutant
Salamuddin
International Debutant
No Ealham is just far more accurate than Plunkett.....but England don't need that do they ?
PhoenixFire
International Coach
I don't give a flying **** about accuracy to be honest. You can be as accurate as you want, but at that pace on a flat, slow deck in the West Indies, you are going to get smashed if you don't do anything with the ball.No Ealham is just far more accurate than Plunkett.....but England don't need that do they ?
Barney Rubble
International Coach
Seconded. There is a reason why such a quality bowler as Matthew Hoggard still can't play ODIs.
If you are that kind of bowler, you need to have something really special to succeed in OD cricket in the current environment, a la McGrath. Batsmen are far more likely to smash length balls over mid-wicket now than they were ten or even five years ago.
shortpitched713
International Captain
Who says he does nothing with the ball? Haven't seen him play, but from what I've heard from Richard/others he definitely swings the ball.
Barney Rubble
International Coach
Swings it at about 75mph, and for a 5ft 7in guy that's hardly deadly.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
Just to point out that I didn't actually mean that accuracy wasn't important, just it isn't all that important in ODIs nowerdays on flat tracks, unless you get bounce and seam like McGrath, or real pace like Bond.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
That's what I said, yes.So you'd seriously have Mahmood and PLunkett over a guy like Ealham ???????
Barney Rubble
International Coach
Salamuddin doesn't think Trescothick's any good, I wouldn't pay his opinions on England any mind.
