The England development squad

[Richard]

He wasn't, but it was never sensible to pick him ahead of Johnson.

 

[sledger]

perhaps not, had he stayed injury free and continued his development i would have take him over harmison, chances of a comeback to the england side now look massively doubtful unfortunately.

 

[Richard]

Sad thing is it was, finally, found-out why Tudor was suffering repeated injuries. But the neccessary changes made him a far less effective bowler.

 

[sledger]

say if he takes a large amount of wickets this season and continues to bowl well, do you think he could dislodge any of the other england seamers and get a place in the side back ? hes still reasonably young after all.

 

[Richard]

27, he is, the sort of age you hope players are peaking at.
I don't really know that he's got much of a chance - if he takes 70 wickets at 23 this season and we have the expected Ashes shocker I'd not rule-out his chances of going to Pakistan and India this winter, but frankly if there's one place I'd not like to see him bowl it's the subcontinent.
Much as I always rated him, I think his chance has probably gone now.

 

[badgerhair]

My criticism wasn't of the selectors, it was of the fitness management team - if one even existed in 1995. Most fitness problems these days are solvable in some way or other. That Johnson's inability to stay fit has persisted, to such a massive extent, can have blame laid at some door or other.

You seem to be ignoring the possibility that it was fitness management which has allowed him to play as many games as he has. 25 years ago, his back injury would probably have ended his career by 1997.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Richard]

Do we know what his problem is exactly?

 

[sledger]

quite honestly i would like to see one last hurrah from tudor as i still think he has the potential to be a test bowler. I will cross my fingers for him, and i see no reason why he wont take 70 wickets at 23, he is capable and indeed of a desirable age.

 

[marc71178]

Won't be this season though.

Quarter of the way through and he has 8 wickets.

 

[aussie]

i didnt think tudor was all that bad to be honest.

nope..... one of the few black fellows i felt could have cemented his place in the ENG side

 

[marc71178]

How had he cemented his place?

When the chips were down and we were struggling (up at OT vs SL) - already a bowler down through injury, we'd had the likes of Flintoff and Hoggard bowling extremely long spells without much reward. After a couple of overs, our Alex complains of being injured/tired/not bothered so the other 2 have to take the ball again and bowl another long spell.

And why do you have to bring colour into the equation?

 

[Richard]

When the chips were down and we were struggling (up at OT vs SL) - already a bowler down through injury, we'd had the likes of Flintoff and Hoggard bowling extremely long spells without much reward. After a couple of overs, our Alex complains of being injured/tired/not bothered so the other 2 have to take the ball again and bowl another long spell.

The chips were hardly down and we were hardly struggling - the series was in the bag.

 

[marc71178]

We were battling hard to get wickets against the clock, Hoggard had bowled something like 10 in a row, yet poor little Alex was too tired to bowl more than 2 before Hoggy had to be recalled.

 

[sledger]

well one could argue that due to that hoggards character was built and increased so that it allowed him to become the decent bowler that he is today tudor should be commended for making this happen by granting him a recall to the test side

 

[marc71178]

Hoggard's always had a strong character though.

 

[aussie]

How had he cemented his place?

When the chips were down and we were struggling (up at OT vs SL) - already a bowler down through injury, we'd had the likes of Flintoff and Hoggard bowling extremely long spells without much reward. After a couple of overs, our Alex complains of being injured/tired/not bothered so the other 2 have to take the ball again and bowl another long spell.

And why do you have to bring colour into the equation?

i never said he cemented his place i said he could have, when i mention colour i dont mean anything racial about it, come on marc no need to be thinking otherwise

 

[Pratters]

Okay who are England's number 3,4,5 openers behind Strauss and Trescothich and number 2 and 3 spinners behind Giles?

 

[aussie]

Okay who are England's number 3,4,5 openers behind Strauss and Trescothich and number 2 and 3 spinners behind Giles?

1st of all mate i dont think ENG have so much openers in the county circuit who could make it at test level, for me only Michael Powell of Glamorgan comes close. But lets say in a match situation if one of the two are injured Vaughan might go & open & a middle order batsman would come in.

Behind Gilo for me is my fellow Lancastrian Keedy who has we all know could have been around the ENG setup if he was a bit better with the willow, after him i would say Swann. But according the ENG selectors see it its Gilo ->Batty->Swann

 

[badgerhair]

Okay who are England's number 3,4,5 openers behind Strauss and Trescothich and number 2 and 3 spinners behind Giles?

1 Cook, Jefferson, Key, Newman
2 Swann, Brown (although the selectors have a strange fetish about Batty)

Cook in particular looks as though he's going to be rather frustrated having to wait for Strauss and Tresco to retire before he gets the regular Test spot he would undoubtedly get sooner somewhere else (maybe not this month, but fairly soon)

Cheers,

Mike

 

[badgerhair]

1st of all mate i dont think ENG have so much openers in the county circuit who could make it at test level, for me only Michael Powell of Glamorgan comes close.

If you're going to tell jokes, at least make them credible or funny. This one is neither, as Powell isn't an opening batsman and isn't useless enough for the suggestion to be otherwise hilarious.

Cheers,

Mike