ankitj
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Too bad. Lot of people here disagree with you.
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The best after the Don? CW ranked 25 contenders, here is the countdown thread
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Pretty sure Tendulkar will miss the top 5. Several people ranked him in the 15-20 range.
Who deleted my post?
Oh well lara style over substance always gets overrated. Felt he played more for records than the team and numerous times went missing in important series. Until he got a flat track and dominated. Big weaknesses vs good pace bowlers and way too inconsistent and lazy to be an all time great.
Tendulkar a class above lara, anyday everyday. From a neutral
Oh well lara style over substance always gets overrated. Felt he played more for records than the team and numerous times went missing in important series. Until he got a flat track and dominated. Big weaknesses vs good pace bowlers and way too inconsistent and lazy to be an all time great.
Tendulkar a class above lara, anyday everyday. From a neutral
mr_mister
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#8
Graeme Pollock (378 points) FC average of 54.67, FC H.S of 274. 64 FC centuries
Right after Black Bradman comes the Left handed Bradman. Pollock and Headley have remarkably similar test careers. Similar amount of tests, similar high score and a nearly identical batting average. Pollock converted 50s into 100s a little less often, but like Headley he nearly averaged a 50+ score in every test he played. Pollock's FC average is a little lower but he played a lot more FC games. Either way it's pretty remarkable how similar they ranked in this exercise as well.
Pollock was said to have tremendous power and timing and it's a huge pity he didn't get to play test cricket through the 70s. He was just hitting his prime when his team was banished form the test arena. He goes down as having an awesome record against England and especially Australia(averaged 69 from 14 tests), his only blemish being one off test against NZ where he failed in both innings. So both him and Headley, though their careers were short, made their runs against top opposition not minnows. That's commendable and it's what will always put them ahead of their other retired 60+ average peer.. Adam Voges
Graeme Pollock (378 points) FC average of 54.67, FC H.S of 274. 64 FC centuries
Right after Black Bradman comes the Left handed Bradman. Pollock and Headley have remarkably similar test careers. Similar amount of tests, similar high score and a nearly identical batting average. Pollock converted 50s into 100s a little less often, but like Headley he nearly averaged a 50+ score in every test he played. Pollock's FC average is a little lower but he played a lot more FC games. Either way it's pretty remarkable how similar they ranked in this exercise as well.
Pollock was said to have tremendous power and timing and it's a huge pity he didn't get to play test cricket through the 70s. He was just hitting his prime when his team was banished form the test arena. He goes down as having an awesome record against England and especially Australia(averaged 69 from 14 tests), his only blemish being one off test against NZ where he failed in both innings. So both him and Headley, though their careers were short, made their runs against top opposition not minnows. That's commendable and it's what will always put them ahead of their other retired 60+ average peer.. Adam Voges
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Slifer
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If the deleted post is anything like the drivel you're spewing, it's easy to see why your post was deleted.
harsh.ag
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You did, Einstein.
mr_mister
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#7
Wally Hammond (425 points) FC average of 56.10, FC H.S of 336*. 167 FC centuries
Wally Hammond, who had career overlap with both Hobbs and Hutton, finishes the lowest out of the 3 of them in this exercise. He was the bridge between them really and was the clear cut number 1 England batsman in the time between when Hobbs and Hutton held that title themselves.
He was unofficially Bradman's biggest rival and traded records back and forth for a few years with him before Bradman finally put him to bed. Their test careers nearly perfectly overlapped, which is a little unfair to Hammond's legacy having to compete so directly with him.
In 1928/29 Hammond smashed 905 runs in Bradman's debut series down under, scoring 4 centuries in the process, then Bradman beat that record in Hammond's own backyard in that famous tour just a year later. Bradman broke the record for the highest test score in that series, but Hammond took it off him a few years later, albeit against a minnow in New Zealand which tainted the achievement in the eyes of many. Hammond had to use every advantage he could get to get anywhere near Bradman's overall record, and an average of 321 against New Zealand says to me Hammond knew he had to cash in when he was up against minnows. An average of 80 against India was quite useful for him as well.
His record in actual ashes matches was half that of Bradman's, but 50 is hardly a failure except when being compared to the Don. He was no stranger to the big daddy ton either, still sitting 4th overall with 7 test double centuries, with daylight between him and his peers on either side(Don with 12 and Hutton with 4). Hammond himself was a strongly built bloke and put a lot of power into his wide range of shots. In his 900+ run series(still the second highest series after Bradman's 974) he put away nearly all risky square of the wicket shots and stuck to drives down the V. Never again did he apply such discipline to his batting, possibly so jaded after he realised he could never be in Bradman's class. But he still had an amazing career and has more than earned his number 7 spot in this exercise.
Wally Hammond (425 points) FC average of 56.10, FC H.S of 336*. 167 FC centuries
Wally Hammond, who had career overlap with both Hobbs and Hutton, finishes the lowest out of the 3 of them in this exercise. He was the bridge between them really and was the clear cut number 1 England batsman in the time between when Hobbs and Hutton held that title themselves.
He was unofficially Bradman's biggest rival and traded records back and forth for a few years with him before Bradman finally put him to bed. Their test careers nearly perfectly overlapped, which is a little unfair to Hammond's legacy having to compete so directly with him.
In 1928/29 Hammond smashed 905 runs in Bradman's debut series down under, scoring 4 centuries in the process, then Bradman beat that record in Hammond's own backyard in that famous tour just a year later. Bradman broke the record for the highest test score in that series, but Hammond took it off him a few years later, albeit against a minnow in New Zealand which tainted the achievement in the eyes of many. Hammond had to use every advantage he could get to get anywhere near Bradman's overall record, and an average of 321 against New Zealand says to me Hammond knew he had to cash in when he was up against minnows. An average of 80 against India was quite useful for him as well.
His record in actual ashes matches was half that of Bradman's, but 50 is hardly a failure except when being compared to the Don. He was no stranger to the big daddy ton either, still sitting 4th overall with 7 test double centuries, with daylight between him and his peers on either side(Don with 12 and Hutton with 4). Hammond himself was a strongly built bloke and put a lot of power into his wide range of shots. In his 900+ run series(still the second highest series after Bradman's 974) he put away nearly all risky square of the wicket shots and stuck to drives down the V. Never again did he apply such discipline to his batting, possibly so jaded after he realised he could never be in Bradman's class. But he still had an amazing career and has more than earned his number 7 spot in this exercise.
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a massive zebra
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Yeah Hammond and Sangakkara should probably both be higher in the list, but remember we have been asked to consider batting only. If we were to also take into account Hammond's legendary slip fielding and useful bowling, he would probably be ranked above most of the players yet to come.
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The Sean
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So unless I've missed them (and given it's pretty clear who the final six still to come are), am I right that neither Victor Trumper nor Denis Compton made the 25? They would seem the glaring omissions to me in a list that otherwise is pretty close - in names, if not exact order - that I'd pick.
Slifer
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Trumper was #23
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Who would you remove though?
marc71178
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harsh trying to deflect the attention?
mr_mister
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#6
Len Hutton (436 points) FC average of 55.51, FC H.S of 364. 129 FC centuries
Hutton came onto the test scene with a bit of a bang to say the least. In his 6th test he crushed Hammonds test HS record with a 364. Many people thought of Hammond's knock as fraudulent due to the opposition bowling attack, but nobody could discredit Hutton's knock unless you wanted to call Australia's 1938 bowling attack minnows... however if you look at who bowled in that match other than O'Reilly its pretty slim pickings. Still, it came in an Ashes match and stood for a good couple of decades before it was overtaken again. Hutton's career was moving at a tremendous pace before the war, averaging 67 before test cricket was halted due to it. He still had a fantastic career post war but he lost several years where he would have been in his prime unfortunately. He actually severely injured his arm during army training during the war which may have also lowered the ceiling on his still otherwise fantastic career after it.
His batting average against a Lindwall and Miller led Australia @ 56 was outstanding and he was a bit of an anti-Hammond in that he didn't really make his runs when the going was easy, his lowest batting averages being against Pakistan and New Zealand. 79 against the Windies when they had the spin twins was also very respectable. Being able to play so well against pace, spin and on stickies made Hutton a very rounded opener. In fact some of Hutton's best knocks came on rain soaked pitches when everyone else in the team could barely put bat to ball. It's an interesting career that promised so much more had it not been delayed basically as soon as it began, but he still did enough to hit 6 on this list.
Len Hutton (436 points) FC average of 55.51, FC H.S of 364. 129 FC centuries
Hutton came onto the test scene with a bit of a bang to say the least. In his 6th test he crushed Hammonds test HS record with a 364. Many people thought of Hammond's knock as fraudulent due to the opposition bowling attack, but nobody could discredit Hutton's knock unless you wanted to call Australia's 1938 bowling attack minnows... however if you look at who bowled in that match other than O'Reilly its pretty slim pickings. Still, it came in an Ashes match and stood for a good couple of decades before it was overtaken again. Hutton's career was moving at a tremendous pace before the war, averaging 67 before test cricket was halted due to it. He still had a fantastic career post war but he lost several years where he would have been in his prime unfortunately. He actually severely injured his arm during army training during the war which may have also lowered the ceiling on his still otherwise fantastic career after it.
His batting average against a Lindwall and Miller led Australia @ 56 was outstanding and he was a bit of an anti-Hammond in that he didn't really make his runs when the going was easy, his lowest batting averages being against Pakistan and New Zealand. 79 against the Windies when they had the spin twins was also very respectable. Being able to play so well against pace, spin and on stickies made Hutton a very rounded opener. In fact some of Hutton's best knocks came on rain soaked pitches when everyone else in the team could barely put bat to ball. It's an interesting career that promised so much more had it not been delayed basically as soon as it began, but he still did enough to hit 6 on this list.
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The Sean
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Outstanding.
Fair question, and it's not as though any of the blokes who made the list aren't worth a spot. Personally I'd have Compton ahead of any English middle order player other than Hammond, so I'd perhaps think Ranji might be the unlucky one to go for me.
mr_mister
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yeah was a bit of debate over Compton and Younis Khan possibly making the cut in the voting thread. In the end I opted for my original list with Walcott instead of Steve Smith the only change. Then Smith went and had an amazing ashes. In 5 years it won't be a question itl just be accepted reality that Smith is well in the discussion for next best after Bradman
And I admit I have a soft spot for Ranji, just the fact he invented/innovated so many new shots sealed the deal for me
And I admit I have a soft spot for Ranji, just the fact he invented/innovated so many new shots sealed the deal for me
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Younis definitely very harshly treated here