Prince EWS
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Yeah Cosgrove's bowling is definitely a step above the Hussey/Quiney stuff. Not an allrounder by any stretch of the imagination but a handy part-timer as you said.
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The Australian top order doom and gloom thread
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Prince EWS
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At this stage, yeah no doubt IMO. I'm pretty confident in Hughes being better than Cosgrove by the time he reaches he peak, but as of now Cosgrove is the best bat not in the side by a fair margin.
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NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Just on Cosgrove, is he currently injured or did he get dropped from Tassie's OD side?
It would be so much better if we had a round of first class matches kicking off tomorrow. Its difficult to work out which way the selectors will go, but the fact that all of the nein commentators picked Khawaja seems to think he is the top chance.
It would be so much better if we had a round of first class matches kicking off tomorrow. Its difficult to work out which way the selectors will go, but the fact that all of the nein commentators picked Khawaja seems to think he is the top chance.
BoyBrumby
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He'll bounce back.
EyeThangEwe. Now you take my wife...please.
Sam Robson, anyone? Can't be too much wrong with Aussie batting if he can't get a domestic gig even.
AlanJLegend
U19 Vice-Captain
He is worth his weight in gold.He'll bounce back.
Fat jokes aside, I think it is pretty poor by both parties if his weight is what is keeping him out of being selected for Australia. If a test spot is beckoning surely that is motivation enough for him to shed a few kilos...but on the other hand, with our batting stocks as low as they are the selectors can't really afford to be picky based on things like that.
Prince EWS
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He'd have to play as an overseas player, and NSW don't do those. Phil Jaques can't make the side for the same reason and he's a better bat than Robson. He hasn't really stood out much in grade either, and did get dropped from the Middlesex side at one point last season too.He'll bounce back.
EyeThangEwe. Now you take my wife...please.
Sam Robson, anyone? Can't be too much wrong with Aussie batting if he can't get a domestic gig even.
He'd have to be pretty special to get a game given his situation, and he's not. It doesn't mean he's not better than some of the players ahead of him at NSW; it just means not by enough, really.
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I reckon Oz could do a lot worse than pick Hughes in the middle order
He rotates the strike, is pretty good against spin, scores big once he gets a start and his main weakness would be somewhat negated by the fact that he wouldnt be facing the new ball
Anyway, aside from Ferguson, whomever they pick will be an improvement on recent Ponting and Watson
He rotates the strike, is pretty good against spin, scores big once he gets a start and his main weakness would be somewhat negated by the fact that he wouldnt be facing the new ball
Anyway, aside from Ferguson, whomever they pick will be an improvement on recent Ponting and Watson
Disclaimer: I don't want Ferguson picked, just playing Devil's Advocate here.
Honestly, would Ferguson be that bad a pick, if he did magically get the nod? I mean, we've seen from his time in the ODI setup that he can handle international attacks and that the step up doesn't phase him mentally (which, at present, is more than we can say for Hughes, Khawaja or Quiney).
Yes, we've seen how selecting Test squads off white ball form has gone many a time (although golden boy Starceh is at least serviceable with the red kookaburra).
Ferguson looks like he can handle himself at that level, and we've seen all-too few glimpses in the past of what he's capable of in the longer format. The added challenge of Tests may be what he needs to reach his full potential (ala Ryder, who just cbf with domestic stuff). Arguably the same could be said of Cosgrove.
And to be perfectly honest, I'd take a batsman who makes attractive 30s on a regular basis at the moment anyway. We have nothing better, apparently.
My pecking order:
Cosgrove
Khawaja
Hughes
Doolan
Burns
Bailey
Ferguson
Quiney
Smith
Honestly, would Ferguson be that bad a pick, if he did magically get the nod? I mean, we've seen from his time in the ODI setup that he can handle international attacks and that the step up doesn't phase him mentally (which, at present, is more than we can say for Hughes, Khawaja or Quiney).
Yes, we've seen how selecting Test squads off white ball form has gone many a time (although golden boy Starceh is at least serviceable with the red kookaburra).
Ferguson looks like he can handle himself at that level, and we've seen all-too few glimpses in the past of what he's capable of in the longer format. The added challenge of Tests may be what he needs to reach his full potential (ala Ryder, who just cbf with domestic stuff). Arguably the same could be said of Cosgrove.
And to be perfectly honest, I'd take a batsman who makes attractive 30s on a regular basis at the moment anyway. We have nothing better, apparently.
My pecking order:
Cosgrove
Khawaja
Hughes
Doolan
Burns
Bailey
Ferguson
Quiney
Smith
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
I don't think its accurate to suggest Khawaja was phased playing Test Cricket. Ifs and buts but I reckon the time he got run out in his 30s was a big opportunity missed. I think he's looked quite assured, but nothing special throughout his brief career. Anyway, I see you've got him in 2nd spot in your pecking order, so its clear that you agree he looked better than Hughes and Quiney.
I like Cosgrove, but it would be quite a shock selection - he's gotten dropped from the OD side, opens the batting (one position we actually have depth in) and has scored 0,2,4,13 and 42 (61 @ 12.20) in his last 3 shield games.
I like Cosgrove, but it would be quite a shock selection - he's gotten dropped from the OD side, opens the batting (one position we actually have depth in) and has scored 0,2,4,13 and 42 (61 @ 12.20) in his last 3 shield games.
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I think everyone knows that Cosgrove won't get picked. It's more just on raw ability, not probability of selection.
Same dealio when Katman got dropped. Everyone had him as the best batsman in the country outside of the test side, but he was never going to get picked again.
And as touched on earlier, I hope Usman has learned to rotate the strike better to take the pressure off himself. Haven't seen him bat in Shield this year so don't know, but that was his big weakness when he played test cricket.
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NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Yep AWTA, from what I've seen he hasn't learned to rotate the strike yet.
Hang on a sec, I'll just get out my ball by ball Shield scorecards from the shed.
Ok, back.
Usman Khawaja Shield scores over 50
- 88 from 176 balls against SA consisted of 11 1's, 10 4's and a six
- 54 from 38 balls against NSW had 0 1's (lol), 8 4's and 2 6's.
- 54 from 134 balls against NSW had 7 1's and 10 4's.
- 138 from 173 balls against TAS 13 1's, 21 4's, 2 6's.
So 334 runs from 521 balls - 31 1's, 49 4's, 5 6's.
Seems like he is still boundary reliant but is that really a bad thing. 31 singles sounds low though it has to be said.
Hang on a sec, I'll just get out my ball by ball Shield scorecards from the shed.
Ok, back.
Usman Khawaja Shield scores over 50
- 88 from 176 balls against SA consisted of 11 1's, 10 4's and a six
- 54 from 38 balls against NSW had 0 1's (lol), 8 4's and 2 6's.
- 54 from 134 balls against NSW had 7 1's and 10 4's.
- 138 from 173 balls against TAS 13 1's, 21 4's, 2 6's.
So 334 runs from 521 balls - 31 1's, 49 4's, 5 6's.
Seems like he is still boundary reliant but is that really a bad thing. 31 singles sounds low though it has to be said.
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Pretty alarming stats really.
It's especially alarming for a left hander, who should get alot of balls on the hip that they should be able to turn around the corner for singles. Taylor made a living out of it, as do alot of left handers.
It's especially alarming for a left hander, who should get alot of balls on the hip that they should be able to turn around the corner for singles. Taylor made a living out of it, as do alot of left handers.
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Only disgrace would be seeing such a lardass playing test cricket. If only he had the desire to get fit and not the hunger for food.