The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Lillian Thomson]

I’m afraid to ask whether Jeff Thomson is a genuine all time candidate or a lesser bowler than Bruce Reid.

 

[jayjay]

ajmal is literally and unironically a cheat. bloke shouldn't be near any atg Pakistan xi

In what way?

His arm was bent due to a medical issue (broken bone at one stage). Under the previous ICC rules he would h ave been provided a medical exemption, which in reality should still be a part of the regulations. There was nothing he could physically do about the issue.

 

[Daemon]

In what way?

His arm was bent due to a medical issue (broken bone at one stage). Under the previous ICC rules he would h ave been provided a medical exemption, which in reality should still be a part of the regulations. There was nothing he could physically do about the issue.

my guy, he was throwing them down at beyond 40 degrees at times

1st: Over the wicket: Average elbow extension 39 degrees, 2nd: Over the wicket: 37 degrees, 3rd: Around the wicket: 41 degrees, 4th: Around the wicket (wide of the crease): 41 degrees, 5th: Around the wicket: 42 degrees, 6th: Around the wicket, doosra: 40 degrees, 7th: Around the wicket, quicker balls: 38 degrees, 8th: Over the wicket, quicker balls: 42 degrees

 

[Starfighter]

In what way?

His arm was bent due to a medical issue (broken bone at one stage). Under the previous ICC rules he would h ave been provided a medical exemption, which in reality should still be a part of the regulations. There was nothing he could physically do about the issue.

Bullshit. His action greatly deteriorated since he was first cleared around 2009. The testing when he was pulled up showed he was straightening by an average of 40°. That has absolutely nothing to do with any medical issues making his arm appear bent, it was actual movement of his elbow joint.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bracken instead of Lee imo, and I'd open with Watto instead of M Waugh and pick Bevan the ODI genius at 6.

Red hates Bevan

 

[TheJediBrah]

In what way?

His arm was bent due to a medical issue (broken bone at one stage). Under the previous ICC rules he would h ave been provided a medical exemption, which in reality should still be a part of the regulations. There was nothing he could physically do about the issue.

is this guy serious?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Red hates Bevan

Why? Is it because he was better than Symonds?

 

[bagapath]

I’m afraid to ask whether Jeff Thomson is a genuine all time candidate or a lesser bowler than Bruce Reid.

Beautiful question. Honestly, I don't know. Is he better than Merv Hughes and Billy McDermott and Terry Alderman]? I believe Reid and Johnson and Harris were better than that trio who are also distinguished, for sure. Don't know where to slot Thommo, though. What is your take @Lillian Thomson?

 

[bagapath]

Hussey makes it to some ATXIs surely. MWaugh definitely does. In fact, he might be CW's favorite Aussie ODI opener.

Gilmour should probably get picked. Hogg for McGill.

this is a test team. I can't imagine either Junior or Hussey making it to any version of the top Aussie test team of the past 50 years...

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
G.Chappell
S Smith
AR Border *
Gilchrist +
Cummins
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

12th man: S Waugh

 

[TheJediBrah]

Why? Is it because he was better than Symonds?

Bevan's high-Test jawline makes beta males feel inadequate and lash out

 

[Lillian Thomson]

The problem with Thommo is that he was really only a truly great bowler for about 25 Tests before World Series Cricket and injuries when he started to lose his pace. During that time he only played in England and Australia (not because he feigned injury or illness to dodge tours). And of course he shares an horrific tour of Pakistan with his uncle Dennis, which will get the stats mongers salivating. A far better bowler than Bruce Reid though.

 

[Line and Length]

The problem with Thommo is that he was really only a truly great bowler for about 25 Tests before World Series Cricket and injuries when he started to lose his pace. During that time he only played in England and Australia (not because he feigned injury or illness to dodge tours). And of course he shares an horrific tour of Pakistan with his uncle Dennis, which will get the stats mongers salivating. A far better bowler than Bruce Reid though.

I'm not sure. Thommo needed the pressure to be on from both end, and Lillee provided that pressure. Reid was potentially the best Australian left-arm quick behind Davo but injury plagued him.

 

[honestbharani]

Why? Is it because he was better than Symonds?

Yeah, esp. in the bowling.

 

[honestbharani]

I think Bruce Reid is underrated.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I'm not sure. Thommo needed the pressure to be on from both end, and Lillee provided that pressure. Reid was potentially the best Australian left-arm quick behind Davo but injury plagued him.

Not true at all. Thommo didn't play in the first year of WSC. While the rest were away he lead the attack in two five Test series with a great deal of success. and with no other quality bowler at the other end.

 

[ankitj]

Yeah, esp. in the bowling.

Bowling averages:

Bevan: 24.xx
Symonds: 37.xx

 

[harsh.ag]

this is a test team. I can't imagine either Junior or Hussey making it to any version of the top Aussie test team of the past 50 years...

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
G.Chappell
S Smith
AR Border *
Gilchrist +
Cummins
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

12th man: S Waugh

Oh. Obvsly didn't realize it was a test team

 

[Red]

I won’t be baited in to this Symonds stuff again.

Ive proved time and again how good he was as an ODI player and particularly as a 5th bowler.

Bevan was a hack who hit one four at the end of a game that hatched this bullshit “finisher” myth.

Hussey could do everything Bevan could and do it better.

 

[Red]

Bevan's high-Test jawline makes beta males feel inadequate and lash out

Mate, I love Viv, Lillee, Symonds, Warne, Miller. Proper alpha cricketers

Jawlines aren’t part of my equation, and nor should they be yours

 

[trundler]

Well, that brief minute when Red had a sense of humour was fun whilst it lasted eh