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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Coronis
International Coach
Similar to a lot of players I guess, some just play that one series too many. (Even Hobbs in 1930!)
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Just always fascinated by how much discussion and analysis went on about the game in those days...
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Another random question, who is the greater cricketer among Imran, Hadlee and Marshall ? For once, lets ignore who fits ATG XI more.
I was reading today about Hadlee.
Between 1930-1975, NZ won 5 Tests. Between 1975-1991, NZ won 25 Tests. Hadlee was involved in 21 of those Tests. In those 21 Tests, he took 166 wickets.
Hadlee was the number one bowler for four straight years from 1984-1988. A remarkable feat considering some of the greatest fast bowlers played back then.
Hadlee helped NZ to win a Test series against West Indies in 1979 and managed to draw a Test series against them in 1987.
Personally, I don’t think Hadlee is inferior to even Malcolm Marshall. Unlike Marshall, Hadlee didn’t have the luxury of another great bowler like Roberts, Holding, Garner, Ambrose, Walsh and Bishop applying pressure on the other end or be happy knowing someone like Richards, Greenidge, Haynes, Lyold or Richardson would chase down any target with ease.
Between 1930-1975, NZ won 5 Tests. Between 1975-1991, NZ won 25 Tests. Hadlee was involved in 21 of those Tests. In those 21 Tests, he took 166 wickets.
Hadlee was the number one bowler for four straight years from 1984-1988. A remarkable feat considering some of the greatest fast bowlers played back then.
Hadlee helped NZ to win a Test series against West Indies in 1979 and managed to draw a Test series against them in 1987.
Personally, I don’t think Hadlee is inferior to even Malcolm Marshall. Unlike Marshall, Hadlee didn’t have the luxury of another great bowler like Roberts, Holding, Garner, Ambrose, Walsh and Bishop applying pressure on the other end or be happy knowing someone like Richards, Greenidge, Haynes, Lyold or Richardson would chase down any target with ease.
As bowlers : Marshall=Hadlee> Imran
As batsmen : Imran > Hadlee > Marshall
All Rounders : Imran > Hadlee
Richard Hadlee had a bigger impact on NZ cricket than Imran Khan had on Pak cricket. While Pakistan had another superstar in Javed Miandad and an upcoming legend in Wasim Akram during Imran’s playing days, Hadlee was a one man army.
Between 1930 - 1975 : NZ won 5 Tests
Between 1975 - 1991 : NZ won 25 Tests
Between 1991 - 1996 : NZ won 5 Tests
Not sure if any other cricketer had a bigger impact on his team’s fortunes than Hadlee had on NZ cricket.
With all due respect to Martin Crowe, I feel Hadlee is the only Top Tier retired great cricketer NZ has produced so far.
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ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Last time I checked, Hadlee was man of the series in all test series that NZ won and those that declared such an award during his playing years. He is firmly in my top 5 greatest cricketers of all time although Steven Smith might push him out.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
These are some very valid points. Being the only true quality bowler in your team is incredibly tough. Richard Hadlee was as good as any bowler in history.
Just curious. Who are your Top 5 cricketers?
Bradman is obviously the best. I guess Sobers and Sachin would be there too. I don’t think Murali would be there since most people often ignore him despite his unbreakable records.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
My Top 5 would be
Sobers
Bradman
Viv
Imran
Hadlee
I know Viv is not statistically up there, just some personal bias
Sobers
Bradman
Viv
Imran
Hadlee
I know Viv is not statistically up there, just some personal bias
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Bradman, Sobers, Imran, Muralidharan, Hadlee
I know 2 other guys over here at some point had these 5 albeit in different order.
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I do feel people are jumping the gun here with respect to Steve Smith. I am not suggesting he is not an ATG already but sometimes you do have let a career play out before making huge claims. I mean, if you are calling him one of your top 5 greatest cricketers of all time, that is ridiculously high even given what he has racked up so far.
Somehow I feel like going back and reading all the Mike Hussey is the next best after Bradman threads Again, this is just a personal opinion and I can completely see why folks rate him the way they do and he has had a phenomenal career already.
Also worth pointing out I was one of his earlier backers here. Folks can read the Australia in India thread in 2013 during the 4-0 drubbing and see.
EDIT: On the other running topics, I was not lucky enough to catch Hadlee during his playing days, but I have personally always put Ambrose above McGrath. Not by much but I guess, just personal preference.
Somehow I feel like going back and reading all the Mike Hussey is the next best after Bradman threads
Again, this is just a personal opinion and I can completely see why folks rate him the way they do and he has had a phenomenal career already.Also worth pointing out I was one of his earlier backers here. Folks can read the Australia in India thread in 2013 during the 4-0 drubbing and see.
EDIT: On the other running topics, I was not lucky enough to catch Hadlee during his playing days, but I have personally always put Ambrose above McGrath. Not by much but I guess, just personal preference.
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