The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[AndrewB]

Is he the quickest to 900 points?

I think the fastest are

19: George Headley
20: Jack Hobbs, Mike Hussey
21: Graeme Pollock, Viv Richards
22: Garry Sobers, Doug Walters
23: Don Bradman, Neil Harvey

but don't take this as gospel.

 

[Coronis]

Smith has suppressed Viv in terms of test hundreds! Viv has 24 hundreds in 182 innings while Smith right now has 26 in 126 innings!

I mean Smith does have a benefit of batting on Australian roads but still this is ridiculous..

I mean they both have 13 away centuries, just that Smith’s played 50 fewer away innings than Viv.

What I predict my XI will be in 5 years.

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Smith
Tendulkar
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Steyn
McGrath

2nd XI

Hutton
Gavaskar
Sangakkara
Kohli
Hammond
Kallis
Knott+
Imran*
Hadlee
Wasim
Murali

(probs missed someone obvious from the 2nd XI)

 

[ataraxia]

I mean they both have 13 away centuries, just that Smith’s played 50 fewer away innings than Viv.

What I predict my XI will be in 5 years.

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Smith
Tendulkar
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Steyn
McGrath

2nd XI

Hutton
Gavaskar
Sangakkara
Kohli
Hammond
Kallis
Knott+
Imran*
Hadlee
Wasim
Murali

(probs missed someone obvious from the 2nd XI)

Richards, Border, Headley, Pollock, Lara for Kohli?

 

[stephen]

Richards, Border, Headley, Pollock, Lara for Kohli?

Lara was my first thought too.

 

[honestbharani]

Lara will always be in my first XI...

 

[Coronis]

Lara a good shout. Pollock and Headley I’m reluctant to select over the other options but certainly have the talent. Richards as the overrated bloke he is ain’t close.

 

[Logan]

Bradman, Smith and Tendulkar will be the general consensus for the middle order on most ATG teams two decades from now. Unless Smith falls drastically or Kohli improves a lot.

 

[vcs]

Kohli is actually matching Tendulkar statistically (number of innings to get to 7K, rate of scoring Test centuries etc.). It's just that Smith is even further ahead so it takes a bit of attention away from how well Kohli is doing in Tests.

 

[Logan]

Will Virat Kohli end his Test career in the same tier as Sachin, Lara, Sobers or Ponting, Kallis, Sanga Tier?

 

[sunilz]

Kohli needs 1 or 2 tour of Pak/UAE to increase his overseas and total average. He is missing out on cheap runs in familiar batting conditions. 90% of his overseas runs are outside Asia

 

[Teja.]

The home tracks VK is batting on on average are not close to as batting friendly as the home tracks Dravid or Ponting batted on imo.

India has become a lot more bowling bowling friendly.

 

[Logan]

The period between 2000-2015 especially 2005-2015 was a glorious for batting and bad for bowling.

 

[Logan]

Kohli is the third best Indian batsman ever. Only Sachin and Gavaskar are ahead of him.

 

[honestbharani]

Will Virat Kohli end his Test career in the same tier as Sachin, Lara, Sobers or Ponting, Kallis, Sanga Tier?

Why is above those tiers not an option?

 

[sunilz]

Kohli's home average is excellent. His overseas average of 46 is a concern . This is his peak period. If he doesn't get his overseas average around 50, then all it will take is 1 or 2 bad series for his overseas average to be below 45.And I don't think you can consider a player ATG if his overseas average is below 45.

 

[srbhkshk]

Kohli's home average is excellent. His overseas average of 46 is a concern . This is his peak period. If he doesn't get his overseas average around 50, then all it will take is 1 or 2 bad series for his overseas average to be below 45.And I don't think you can consider a player ATG if his overseas average is below 45.

I don't know, I think he has clearly proven that he is fine in any conditions, unless he randomly decides to become dog **** now - he's fine and well on path.

 

[honestbharani]

Expecting him to make bank this NZ series itself.

 

[Coronis]

Why is above those tiers not an option?

It is an option, but is very unlikely compared to the others.

 

[ankitj]

Kohli's home average is excellent. His overseas average of 46 is a concern . This is his peak period. If he doesn't get his overseas average around 50, then all it will take is 1 or 2 bad series for his overseas average to be below 45.And I don't think you can consider a player ATG if his overseas average is below 45.

That one bad series in England hurting his overseas record. Even after doing extremely well in the 2018 tour to England, his average in England is quite ordinary in 30s.

 

[Logan]

Why is above those tiers not an option?

There is only one man above that Sachin tier and that is Don Bradman.

That one bad series in England hurting his overseas record. Even after doing extremely well in the 2018 tour to England, his average in England is quite ordinary in 30s.

One more series and his average would be 40+ in England.