The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[h_hurricane]

You think Kapil is better than all of Waqar, Wasim and Imran?

No. I never said that.

He had the best record in Aus and among the top 2 in WI as well though. Waqar was pretty poor in Aus across 2-3 trips.I would have all 4 of them to cover all bases.

 

[Coronis]

Was he the first bloke to that feat?

Yeah next closest was Woolley with 64 catches in 64 matches. Nobody else got 100 til 30 years later.

 

[ataraxia]

European descent XI:

Hobbs - ENG
Grace* - ENG/6
Bradman - AUS
Smith - AUS
Pollock/Kallis/Trumper - SA/SA/AUS
Hammond - ENG/5
Gilchrist + AUS
Hadlee - NZ/1
Warne - AUS/4
Barnes - ENG/2
McGrath - AUS/3

O'Reilly - AUS/12th

Non-European:

Gavaskar - IND
Dravid - IND
Headley - WI
Tendulkar - IND
Richards - WI
Sobers - WI/5
Walcott + WI
Imran - PAK/1
Wasim - PAK/3
Marshall - WI/2
Murathaliran - SL/4

Ashwin - IND/12th

Two XIs, one dominated by Australia and the other by the West Indies.

W. G. Grace is an unusual pick around here for ATG XIs, so here is my reasoning for picking him: His first-class batting average is 39.5, and first-class bowling average 18. He's someone who would nowadays average 31-32 with the ball (the Kallis/Hammond type). If his batting average extrapolates the same way to what was done to his bowling average then it becomes 69. Even with a bit of leeway, that is an incredible average, thus why I pick him over Hutton, Richards and Sutcliffe regularly.

I can't really decide between Graeme Pollock and Jacques Kallis with the bat (Kallis' bowling is unneeded IMO), and add Victor Trumper's huge average at 5 to the equation and I'm really unsure. Dravid had to be picked, I can't really let Hanif or Sehwag play around at this level. Second choice for that position is Frank Worrell.

Walcott is my personal choice for keeper, beating out Sangakkara for his batting average as keeper. I don't consider the other options good enough. Feels weird having only one West Indian bowler in this lineup but aside from Marshall no WI bowler is in the top tier of 8.

 

[h_hurricane]

ATVG( ? ! ) Minnows XI

Tamim Iqbal
Murray Goodwin
Brendon Taylor
Dave Houghton
Andy Flower
Mushfiqur Rahim
Shakib Al Hasan
Andy Blignaut
Heath Streak
Rashid Khan
Kyle Jarvis

Goodwin to open due to dearth of good openers.
Just about managed to make a decent team

 

[mr_mister]

Tikolo worthy of that side?

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Tikolo worthy of that side?

Eddo the chicken farmer too

 

[jimmy101]

Throw a bit of Tommy Odoyo in there & we're cookin'

 

[jimmy101]

All-time Zimbabwe African-heritage XI

Hamilton Masakadza
Vusi Sibanda
Tino Mawoyo
Regis Chakabva
Solomon Mire
Elton Chigumbura
Tatenda Taibu+*
Prosper Utseya
Douglas Hondo
Henry Olonga
Pommie Mbangwa

Subs: Stuart Matsikenyeri, Christopher Mpofu, Brian Vitori, Ed Rainsford, Tinashe Panyangara, Tendai Chatara

 

[NUFAN]

Heh. Thats so bad.

 

[jimmy101]

Heh. Thats so bad.

Thought the presence of your main man Chiggers Chigumbura would have endeared the team to you?

 

[mr_mister]

Blessing Mahwire too hehe

 

[h_hurricane]

Tikolo worthy of that side?

Tikolo didn't play any tests.

Eddo the chicken farmer too

Brandes played only 10 tests and averaged 36 with the ball.

 

[NUFAN]

Thought the presence of your main man Chiggers Chigumbura would have endeared the team to you?

Haha. I do have a soft spot for Chiggers but definitely more so in ODIs compared to Tests. This team will struggle to get 200 and struggle to take 20 wickets against most teams.

 

[TheJediBrah]

All-time Zimbabwe African-heritage XI

Hamilton Masakadza
Vusi Sibanda
Tino Mawoyo
Regis Chakabva
Solomon Mire
Elton Chigumbura
Tatenda Taibu+*
Prosper Utseya
Douglas Hondo
Henry Olonga
Pommie Mbangwa

Subs: Stuart Matsikenyeri, Christopher Mpofu, Brian Vitori, Ed Rainsford, Tinashe Panyangara, Tendai Chatara

**** me half of them are barely even FC standard cricketers

edit: Noofers spot on

 

[NUFAN]

ATVG( ? ! ) Minnows XI

Tamim Iqbal
Murray Goodwin
Brendon Taylor
Dave Houghton
Andy Flower
Mushfiqur Rahim
Shakib Al Hasan
Andy Blignaut
Heath Streak
Rashid Khan
Kyle Jarvis

Goodwin to open due to dearth of good openers.
Just about managed to make a decent team

Id throw in Tim Murtagh on the basis that Rashid Khan has only played a few tests too and to give Ireland a representative.

 

[h_hurricane]

Id throw in Tim Murtagh on the basis that Rashid Khan has only played a few tests too and to give Ireland a representative.

Yeah fair call. For some reason, Ireland escaped my mind.

 

[mr_mister]

Tikolo didn't play any tests.



Brandes played only 10 tests and averaged 36 with the ball.

Still a lower average than Blignaut

 

[jimmy101]

Yeah, gotta agree with Nufers & Jedi in regards to that African team. Dunno if anyone here can think of a way to improve that side?

 

[mr_mister]

Tikolo averaged 48 in FC - I don't know why we're holding a lack of tests against a minnow player

 

[jimmy101]

Still a lower average than Blignaut

Blignaut was more of an ODI specialist anyway. I'd sub in Murtagh for Blignaut & perhaps even Mortaza for Jarvis.