The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[mr_mister]

There's a decent chunk of CW who would have Davidson in their ATG Australia XI over Lillee/Lindwall.

He's left handed and a decent bat, but it's still a big feather in his hat.

I'd say he's as worthy as Bond in that XI

 

[trundler]

50 is far too many for pacers. They don't play as much and in previous eras 50 was quite a healthy career.

I nominate Cowie, Larwood and Barnes.

 

[TheJediBrah]

50 is way too many really. Needs to be 20. John Snow is better than any of them on the under 50 list.

Alan Davidson looks a lot better

 

[trundler]

Miller and Worrell had fairly long and illustrious careers. Both played just over 50 tests. The 3 Ws played for about a decade.

Trueman had an incredibly long career. He maintained his stats over such a long stretch. Incredible. Pretty bizarre to think he missed out on quite a few tests because of politics so he should've played even more than the admirable 64 he managed. Also kind of weird that Rhodes played for over 3 decades, yet he was overshadowed in his prime by none other than SF Barnes.

 

[Spark]

Was looking at Trueman's stats the other day; who is the record holder for FC wickets? It's gotta be a hell of a lot (Trueman has over 2000)

 

[Spikey]

i thought it was Wilfred Rhodes. some of those english bowlers prior to ww2 have a million wickets

 

[AndrewB]

Rhodes took over 4000; Tich Freeman, Charles Parker and Jack Hearne each took 3000+.

 

[Jarquis]

Was looking at Trueman's stats the other day; who is the record holder for FC wickets? It's gotta be a hell of a lot (Trueman has over 2000)

Records | First-class matches | Bowling records | Most wickets in career | ESPNcricinfo.com

 

[harsh.ag]

 

[morgieb]

Crazy how high up Grace is given bowling was clearly his weaker suit.

 

[TheJediBrah]

lmfao 1110 first-class matches

 

[OverratedSanity]

Freeman having 100 more 5fers than anyone else while having played way fewer games than most on the list is crazy.

 

[Spikey]

Freeman having 100 more 5fers than anyone else while having played way fewer games than most on the list is crazy.

he took 200 wickets in the season 8 times in a row

 

[Coronis]

Freeman having 100 more 5fers than anyone else while having played way fewer games than most on the list is crazy.

Another candidate for a should’ve played more tests XI.

 

[a massive zebra]

he took 200 wickets in the season 8 times in a row

Haven't checked, but I think I once read he took about 1,000 wickets over four consecutive seasons, which was well over 50% of all Kent's wickets over that period.

 

[AndrewB]

Freeman took 250+ wickets in each season from 1928 to 1933, including 1122 wickets across the first 4. Tom Richardson had previously taken 1005 wickets in 1894-97, which is perhaps even more remarkable as he was a fast bowler. (This may over-exerted him - he didn't have a great Ashes series in 1897-8, nor was he the same bowler in county cricket after that).

 

[a massive zebra]

Freeman took 250+ wickets in each season from 1928 to 1933, including 1122 wickets across the first 4.

Were the 1122 wickets over half of all Kent's wickets over that period?

 

[AndrewB]

Well for one thing, they weren't all for Kent.

 

[a massive zebra]

Of those that were.

 

[AndrewB]

Apparently so - though this is for the last four of those six seasons: "Yet, between 1930 and 1933 Kent were so dependent upon Freeman for bowling that he took 951 County Championship wickets - over 55 percent of Kent's total - for only 15.21 runs each" says Wikipedia.

(Admittedly Championship wickets isn't all the wickets Kent took, but I doubt the overall figure would be much different).