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Batted with a broken arm against Mitchell Johnson too. Legend.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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TheJediBrah
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He was a typically Aussie South African. Probably was from country Victoria in a previous life
Mr Miyagi
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Really not sure on Cowdrey being included. Nor Peter May. Root's 38 is hardly terrible neither. Yousuf is a big drop. But it appears every single batsmen in both lists is above 30? Greenidge and Hayne both do much worse in Pakistan. :P
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Going by averages: the following batsmen average 40+ in their career, but <30 in Australia (at least 10 outs in Aus):
Jimmy Adams: 41.26/24.39
Les Ames: 40.57/17.44
Dennis Amiss: 46.31/22.09
Mohammad Azharuddin: 45.04/27.73
Stephen Fleming: 40.07/29.27
Lawrence Rowe: 43.55/27.00
Thilan Samaraweera: 48.77/17.92
Ramnaresh Sarwan: 40.01/19.12
Marcus Trescothick: 43.80/26.10
Dilip Vengsarkar: 42.13/28.69
Cyril Washbrook: 42.82/26.80
Everton Weekes: 58.62/24.50
Jimmy Adams: 41.26/24.39
Les Ames: 40.57/17.44
Dennis Amiss: 46.31/22.09
Mohammad Azharuddin: 45.04/27.73
Stephen Fleming: 40.07/29.27
Lawrence Rowe: 43.55/27.00
Thilan Samaraweera: 48.77/17.92
Ramnaresh Sarwan: 40.01/19.12
Marcus Trescothick: 43.80/26.10
Dilip Vengsarkar: 42.13/28.69
Cyril Washbrook: 42.82/26.80
Everton Weekes: 58.62/24.50
Red
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Or, instead of mentioning me 15 times making one point, make your point in one post and then stop arguing
Red
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From another thread that's gone WAY off topic....which ATG side would win?
Gavaskar
Hutton
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Botham
Kapil Dev
Warne
or...
Gavaskar
Hutton
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Ambrose
Garner
McGrath
Murali
Gavaskar
Hutton
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Botham
Kapil Dev
Warne
or...
Gavaskar
Hutton
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Ambrose
Garner
McGrath
Murali
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I'll take the 2nd XI. Switch Ambrose/Garner with Steyn if possible for variety, unless you went for 3 corridor bowlers on purpose
Dev and Botham as frontline bowlers don't cut it at this level. That tail is going to add 60
-80 odd but leak a lot more, imo. Garner's gully fielding will come in handy too.
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Not really for 2 reasons: 1) Marshall's batting is somewhere in-between the 2 extremes supposed to be depicted by the XIs and 2) Any team with an identical batting order along with Marshall and 3 other ATGs trumps any team without Marshall.
Mr Miyagi
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Well, as I don't agree at all with reason 1 at all as batting with bowling is the sole point, not extremes, I am happy to accomodate reason 2; so
Gavaskar
Hutton
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Hadlee
Warne
Marshall
or...
Gavaskar
Hutton
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Marshall
Garner
McGrath
Murali
might be a fairer test
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Dev stands out like a sore thumb. Everyone else has a reasonable argument for being there, but he weakens the team.
If you are picking players based on peaks, it's still the first team-based Botham and Imran were insane.
Picking on career it's the second. A fat Botham, a medium paced Imran and Dev would be a sub-par attack in a regular outfit, not just an ATG one.
Mr Miyagi
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I think Dev was a magnificent cricketer, I just don't think he is suited to make this point short of ridiculous extremes.
Even if Marshall is a sway factor, I'd sacrifice him for Akram before Dev or Botham in a tail of Imran, Hadlee and Warne.
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How does he stand out like a sore thumb in a team where I am picking one XI stacked with ATG bowling all rounders vs. another XI with pure ATG bowlers who were fairly poor bats?
Every bowler other than Dev from both teams has a legitimate claim to being deserving of a place in an ATG team using some method of selection. You would need to use player peak for Botham but he still has a claim. You see all of these guys crop up in discussion other than Garner, who is probably the best change bowler in history and is worth a shout.
Dev simply isn't good enough no matter your selection methodology and brings the quality of the team down. Miller would be a better shout.
Or Pollock in for Botham as well to get around the peak/average question because the contest will be too uneven if looking at Bothams peak once Miller comes in, but he doesn't really belong if not looking at peak.
Dev simply isn't good enough no matter your selection methodology and brings the quality of the team down. Miller would be a better shout.
Or Pollock in for Botham as well to get around the peak/average question because the contest will be too uneven if looking at Bothams peak once Miller comes in, but he doesn't really belong if not looking at peak.