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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
- Thread starter Red
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the big bambino
International Captain
Maybe. Its an ATG thread so its hard to know what you're deja vuing over.
cnerd123
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We literally had the exact same discussion about trying to rate keepers based on keeping skills not that long ago; and it got killed off because we agreed that its impossible to rate keepers on skill unless you have seen them all; and even then amongst the top 10 or so the differences can be so minute and nuanced that it's basically down to personal preference.
the big bambino
International Captain
Oh yeah that's right. 
You can rate them if you haven't seen them btw 
You can rate them if you haven't seen them btw 
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Orright. Apologies.
watson
Banned
It's CW. We're supposed to confuse personal preference with objective fact, and then get upset when no one agrees or understands. It's all part of the fun.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
1. Viv Richards
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Ricky Ponting
5. Mahendra Dhoni
6. Michael Bevan
7. Dean Jones
8. Brian Lara
9. Adam Gilchrist
10. Javed Miandad
smash84
The Tiger King
Dhoni > Zaheer Abbas as well as ponting
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
- Viv Richards
- Sachin Tendulkar
- Michael Bevan
- MS Dhoni
- Zaheer Abbas
- Dean Jones
- Ricky Ponting
- Gordon Greenidge
- Brian Lara
- Greg Chappell
Really forcing myself to keep Kohli and Amla out of that list. They are pushing into that zone. Also admit a slight old time bias with inclusion of Greenidge, Abbas, Jones etc.
Edit: why does my 10 become a zero in bulletted lists?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
It doesn't..
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Eight players I consider ODI greats in no particular order:
Tendulkar, Lara, Gilchrist, Bevan, Klusener, M. Waugh, Hayden, Ganguly.
Gilchrist and Klusener (whom people miss out on) are amazing in the sense that their strike rates were around 100 in an era when strike rates were mostly in the 70s.
Tendulkar, Lara, Gilchrist, Bevan, Klusener, M. Waugh, Hayden, Ganguly.
Gilchrist and Klusener (whom people miss out on) are amazing in the sense that their strike rates were around 100 in an era when strike rates were mostly in the 70s.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
I reckon he's better.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Trouble I have with Gilchrist (and similarly with Jayasuriya) is that his average is too low. And that's not irrelevant. It tells us something about him. He surely played dazzling knocks etched into people's memories. But his average tells us that he also got out cheaply more than some of the other great odi batsmen. With players like them, the dazzling knocks stay in the mind more. I might even rate Ganguly above Gilchrist purely as a batsman because of former's remarkable consistency during an extended period. He was next to Viv to all landmarks of reaching multiple of thousand runs (likes of Virat may have changed that now)