The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Coronis]

Far from an expert but an attempt at a Yorkshire side to play Rest of England.

Boycott
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Root
Brook
Bairstow+(??)
Rhodes
Verity
Gough
Trueman
Hoggard

Some other players I considered were Stanley Jackson, Maurice Leyland and George Hirst. I’m also quite likely to have missed someone.

To play:

Hobbs
Cook*
Hammond
Barrington
May/Compton
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Statham
Barnes
Anderson

Thoughts? Changes?

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Far from an expert but an attempt at a Yorkshire side to play Rest of England.

Boycott
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Root
Brook
Bairstow+(??)
Rhodes
Verity
Gough
Trueman
Hoggard

Some other players I considered were Stanley Jackson, Maurice Leyland and George Hirst. I’m also quite likely to have missed someone.

To play:

Hobbs
Cook*
Barrington
May
Compton
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Statham
Barnes
Anderson

Thoughts? Changes?

You missed Hammond in the 2nd team. Rest of it is pretty much fine.

 

[Johan]

think Yorkshire has a problem with the pacer department, I think Wardle can come in for Hoggard but Leyland was a brilliant batter and would greatly strengthen the batting so I went with him. Trueman and Gough as the new ball bowlers, Verity and Rhodes the main spinners

 

[Coronis]

think Yorkshire has a problem with the pacer department, I think Wardle can come in for Hoggard but Leyland was a brilliant batter and would greatly strengthen the batting so I went with him. Trueman and Gough as the new ball bowlers, Verity and Rhodes the main spinners

Hmm. That’s probably why Boycs picked Hirst in his side. Left arm pacer, stats not dissimilar to Rhodes Crazy they had both at the same time, though Hirst never enjoyed the success of Rhodes at test level.

 

[Johan]

Hmm. That’s probably why Boycs picked Hirst in his side. Left arm pacer, stats not dissimilar to Rhodes Crazy they had both at the same time, though Hirst never enjoyed the success of Rhodes at test level.

Hirst as far as I know, was a disaster on the hard good wickets of Australia, was absolutely terrible in his first tour, in his second tour the numbers are a little better looking but it should be mentioned that he got 5/48 in the final test after a lot of rain had fallen on monday and rendered the wicket a sticky and thus allowed him to finally bowl a good spell, before that rain, Hirst had taken 10 wickets in 9 innings at 40 a piece. Don't really think much of him, that's why I think two pacers and then spinners is the way for the Yorkshire XI.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hirst as far as I know, was a disaster on the hard good wickets of Australia, was absolutely terrible in his first tour, in his second tour the numbers are a little better looking but it should be mentioned that he got 5/48 in the final test after a lot of rain had fallen on monday and rendered the wicket a sticky and thus allowed him to finally bowl a good spell, before that rain, Hirst had taken 10 wickets in 9 innings at 40 a piece. Don't really think much of him, that's why I think two pacers and then spinners is the way for the Yorkshire XI.

Imo, if you are making a CC team, one of the County big 4s are a must. Hirst averages 17 and 34..... And given their pace department and him being one of the trailblazers for both swing and body line, yeah will have him.

 

[Johan]

Imo, if you are making a CC team, one of the County big 4s are a must. Hirst averages 17 and 34..... And given their pace department and him being one of the trailblazers for both swing and body line, yeah will have him.

this feels like legacy pandering

 

[capt_Luffy]

Far from an expert but an attempt at a Yorkshire side to play Rest of England.

Boycott
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Root
Brook
Bairstow+(??)
Rhodes
Verity
Gough
Trueman
Hoggard

Some other players I considered were Stanley Jackson, Maurice Leyland and George Hirst. I’m also quite likely to have missed someone.

To play:

Hobbs
Cook*
Hammond
Barrington
May/Compton
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Statham
Barnes
Anderson

Thoughts? Changes?

Yorkshire:

Boycott
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Root
Jackson
Bairstow+
Hirst
Rhodes
Verity
Trueman
Gough


RoE:

Hobbs
Grace
Hammond
Barrington
Compton
Woolley
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Anderson
Barnes


Afaik Laker never played for Yorkshire so should be fine.

 

[capt_Luffy]

this feels like legacy pandering

His CC stats are way too good to take Hoggard over him.

 

[Coronis]

Yorkshire:

Boycott
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Root
Jackson
Bairstow+
Hirst
Rhodes
Verity
Trueman
Gough


RoE:

Hobbs
Grace
Hammond
Barrington
Compton
Woolley
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Anderson
Barnes


Afaik Laker never played for Yorkshire so should be fine.

Woolley really? I mean makes sense since picking Hirst too mainly based on FC but I don’t think he belongs if we’re including tests.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Woolley really?

I am treating it as a County game. And Woolley is pretty Great there. Also needed a 5th proper allrounder since playing Botham at 7, so the other options were Stokes and Greig. Will have Woolley over them overall.

 

[trundler]

Ulyett > Woolley

 

[capt_Luffy]

That's some disgusting ****.

 

[The Sean]

Sachin, Viv, Mcgrath, Akram, Garner, Donald, Murali and Warne would get into every nation's all time Test XI, as well as all time ODI XI imo. Are there any others, and would you leave out any of these in any of the XIs?

I don't think Garner or Donald make Australia's all time Test team (though that also has a lot to do with the structure of the side), and I think they're line ball on each other's. Would otherwise agree with the rest.

 

[peterhrt]

County championship matches only. Balanced attacks where possible.

Yorkshire: Boycott*, Sutcliffe, Hutton, Darren Lehmann, Leyland, Hirst, Rhodes, David Bairstow+, Illingworth, Trueman, Bowes.

Surrey: Hobbs, John Edrich, Ramprakash, May*, Thorpe, Foakes+, Lockwood, Laker, Bedser, Lock, Richardson.

The Rest: Gooch*, Jimmy Cook, Ranjitsinhji, Hammond, Woolley, Ames+, Tate, Larwood, Statham, Tom Goddard, Tich Freeman.

 

[capt_Luffy]

County championship matches only. Balanced attacks where possible.

Yorkshire: Boycott*, Sutcliffe, Hutton, Darren Lehmann, Leyland, Hirst, Rhodes, David Bairstow+, Illingworth, Trueman, Bowes.

Surrey: Hobbs, John Edrich, Ramprakash, May*, Thorpe, Foakes+, Lockwood, Laker, Bedser, Lock, Richardson.

The Rest: Gooch*, Jimmy Cook, Ranjitsinhji, Hammond, Woolley, Ames+, Tate, Larwood, Statham, Tom Goddard, Tich Freeman.

Why no Grace?

 

[Johan]

To play:

Hobbs
Cook*
Hammond
Barrington
May/Compton
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Statham
Barnes
Anderson

Thoughts? Changes?

what a sneak, and dude, if you want to have Cook then forget about Compton and have May at 5, so he can be the captain, Cook was the most hopeless captain I saw in Test Cricket.

 

[Coronis]

what a sneak, and dude, if you want to have Cook then forget about Compton and have May at 5, so he can be the captain, Cook was the most hopeless captain I saw in Test Cricket.

Meh I didn’t really give it much thought tbh.

Actually I’d go Hammond. Maybe.

 

[Johan]

Meh I didn’t really give it much thought tbh.

Actually I’d go Hammond. Maybe.

Jesus! then you better give Compton the boot.

 

[peterhrt]

Why no Grace?

Official County Championship stats begin in 1890. Before then various publications did their own thing and came up with different champions. They did not always agree which inter-county matches should count towards the table.