The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[trundler]

Except Younis Khan all other Batsmen Miandad, Abbas, Inzi, Yousuf all had a poor record against good pace attacks. Miandad struggled against Aus and WI, Abbas had a poor record against WI and NZ, Inzi and Yousuf struggled against Aus, SA. Yousuf also had poor record in India and Srilanka.

I'm aware.

 

[CricketFan90s]

I'm aware.

But my question was who was better Yousuf or Inzi ?

 

[Coronis]

must be smoking the finest weed in all of Asia to come up with not 1 but 2 silly ATG XIs like this

tbf the only really meh selection for Aus is Langer. England XI is crap though.

But it would be stronger with a couple of openers from Hobbs/Hutton/Sutcliffe. I also think you only need one of Botham/Flintoff (obviously the former) as you have Hammond as your 5th bowler. Barrington or Compton spring to mind.

Compton is overrated af. He’s basically David Warner away from England.

Trumper
Simpson
Bradman
G.Chappell
Smith
Miller/Border/Harvey
Gilchrist
Warne
Lindwall/OReilly/Davidson
Lillee
McGrath

let’s be honest, no one is beating this combo

Nah Harvey was pretty eh against the strongest teams of his time.

 

[Howe_zat]

I quite like the dual allrounder axis of Stokes-Botham at 6 and 7, followed by a well above average #8 in Knott. Suggests that the England all-time XI could make up for a bit of the specialist skill they lose (to, say, the West Indies) by investing in batting depth and fielding.

I don't think Flintoff can make it - he is the most allround of allrounders we could pick, but it's hard to fit that sort of player into an all-time XI, just like it's hard to fit a county allrounder into tests.

 

[Pothas]

Yeah I quite like Stokes and Flintoff in an England team of my time watching cricket

Cook
Trescothick
Root
Pietersen
Thorpe
Stokes
Prior
Flintoff
Swann
Broad
Anderson

Tempted to have Trott so I can avoid Root at 3.

 

[Pothas]

All time it feels like you should have Knott but Ames works better

Hobbs
Hutton
Barrington
Hammond
Root
Ames
Botham
Verity (other spinners are available)
Trueman
Anderson
Barnes

 

[Sunil1z]

@Slifer
Can you make a list of various ATXI playing each other in home and away format ?
Give 1 points for series victory, 0.5 for draw and 0 for loss . And post total tally . Consider only top 8 teams

For eg . Aus will defeat everyone at home and lose away to WI and IND imo . So 12/14

 

[Slifer]

Fwiw I don't think any country can put out an ATG Xi that will win everywhere. For example, even though imo, Australia is the best I highly doubt they'd win in India and ditto the WI. The same applies to the other ATG XIs. Maybe it applies less so to Australia, which is why they're the best.

 

[Slifer]

@Slifer
Can you make a list of various ATXI playing each other in home and away format ?
Give 1 points for series victory, 0.5 for draw and 0 for loss . And post total tally . Consider only top 8 teams

For eg . Aus will defeat everyone at home and lose away to WI and IND imo . So 12/14

Sure give me a sec...

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

As good as other ATG team are,Australia are favorites to win every where.
You ain’t gonna beat Bradman with 10 ATGs.

 

[CricketFan90s]

As good as other ATG team are,Australia are favorites to win every where.
You ain’t gonna beat Bradman with 10 ATGs.

Except in Pakistan ??

 

[CricketFan90s]

Pakistan XI at Home Batting Averages
1) Saeed Anwar - 45.36
2) Hanif Mohammad - 46.08
3) Younis Khan - 59.31
4) Mohammad Yousuf - 65.25
5) Javed Miandad - 61.38
6) Imran Khan - 45.29
7) Sarfaraz Ahmed - 42.07 (Neutral)
8) Wasim Akram - 25.36
9) Abdul Qadir - 16.45
10) Saqlain Mushtaq - 16.71
11) Waqar Younis - 10.17

Pakistan XI at Home Bowling Averages
1) Imran Khan - 19.20
2) Wasim Akram - 22.22
3) Waqar Younis - 20.29
4) Abdul Qadir - 26.82
5) Saqlain Mushtaq - 29.22

Even World XI cannot defeat this Pakistan XI in Pakistan. If Aliens ? invade Earth ? and have a Cricket ? Match they will be crushed by this Team.

 

[weeman27bob]

World XI in Pakistan Batting Averages
1) Sunil Gavaskar - 58.88
2) Virender Sehwag - 91.50
3) Ricky Ponting - 119.0
4) Jacques Kallis - 83.14
5) Kumar Sangakkara - 86.87
6) Allan Border - 61.91
7) Shaun Pollock 41.33
8) Richie Benaud 28.80
9) Shane Warne 17.25
10) Malcolm Marshall 9.78
11) James Anderson 5.66

World XI in Pakistan Bowling Averages
1) James Anderson -18.50
2) Malcolm Marshall - 21.45
3) Shaun Pollock - 22.55
4) Richie Benaud - 21.89
5) Shane Warne - 28.00

Pakistan ?? would lose to this World ? XI by an innings they will be crushed so much that even Kallis will win some games

 

[Sunil1z]

Please pick Brook for World XI ?
Drop Border if you have to .

 

[CricketFan90s]

World XI in Pakistan Batting Averages
1) Sunil Gavaskar - 58.88
2) Virender Sehwag - 91.50
3) Ricky Ponting - 119.0
4) Jacques Kallis - 83.14
5) Kumar Sangakkara - 86.87
6) Allan Border - 61.91
7) Shaun Pollock 41.33
8) Richie Benaud 28.80
9) Shane Warne 17.25
10) Malcolm Marshall 9.78
11) James Anderson 5.66

World XI in Pakistan Bowling Averages
1) James Anderson -18.50
2) Malcolm Marshall - 21.45
3) Shaun Pollock - 22.55
4) Richie Benaud - 21.89
5) Shane Warne - 28.00

Pakistan ?? would lose to this World ? XI by an innings they will be crushed so much that even Kallis will win some games

Its a Good Team but i am pretty sure it will be very competitive.

 

[Slifer]

As good as other ATG team are,Australia are favorites to win every where.
You ain’t gonna beat Bradman with 10 ATGs.

No they aren't. They aren't winning in India and doubtful the WI. The caveat you're missing, is that they have to use the same team worldwide. Assuming Oz uses the following team:

Simpson
Morris
DON
Smith
Chapell
Miller
Gilchrist +
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath

Vs

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli
Pant+
Jadeja
Dev
Ashwin
Kumble
Bumrah

On paper, Australia has the better team but they aren't winning in India. At least two of their bowlers would be neutralized by Indians spin playing ability and the Lillee is unproven in Asia. The batting is another story altogether.....

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Pakistan XI at Home Batting Averages
1) Saeed Anwar - 45.36
2) Hanif Mohammad - 46.08
3) Younis Khan - 59.31
4) Mohammad Yousuf - 65.25
5) Javed Miandad - 61.38
6) Imran Khan - 45.29
7) Sarfaraz Ahmed - 42.07 (Neutral)
8) Wasim Akram - 25.36
9) Abdul Qadir - 16.45
10) Saqlain Mushtaq - 16.71
11) Waqar Younis - 10.17

Pakistan XI at Home Bowling Averages
1) Imran Khan - 19.20
2) Wasim Akram - 22.22
3) Waqar Younis - 20.29
4) Abdul Qadir - 26.82
5) Saqlain Mushtaq - 29.22

Even World XI cannot defeat this Pakistan XI in Pakistan. If Aliens ? invade Earth ? and have a Cricket ? Match they will be crushed by this Team.

It depends on if the umpires are also from Pakistan and if bottle caps are allowed.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

World XI in Pakistan Batting Averages
1) Sunil Gavaskar - 58.88
2) Virender Sehwag - 91.50
3) Ricky Ponting - 119.0
4) Jacques Kallis - 83.14
5) Kumar Sangakkara - 86.87
6) Allan Border - 61.91
7) Shaun Pollock 41.33
8) Richie Benaud 28.80
9) Shane Warne 17.25
10) Malcolm Marshall 9.78
11) James Anderson 5.66

World XI in Pakistan Bowling Averages
1) James Anderson -18.50
2) Malcolm Marshall - 21.45
3) Shaun Pollock - 22.55
4) Richie Benaud - 21.89
5) Shane Warne - 28.00

Pakistan ?? would lose to this World ? XI by an innings they will be crushed so much that even Kallis will win some games

Harry Brook averages 93 in Pakistan, so pick him instead of Border. Also the great Simon Doull averages 17 with the ball there, so should take the new ball instead of Malcolm Marshall.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Harry Brook averages 93 in Pakistan, so pick him instead of Border.

Ricky Ponting

In Pakistan

1998-1998

1

2

1

119

76*

119.00

235

50.63

0

1

0

9

0

 

[honestbharani]

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