honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
What's the point?
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The Art of Appealling
- Thread starter Slats4ever
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Maison
Cricket Spectator - 1st Warning
luckyeddie said:
maybe he just has a very large....fat.....
box?
eh eh eh? warney would know though
haha hows that for a 'on-field' sledge!
yep.marc71178 said:
like in all honesty, smith said at the conference that he'd mention all the BS to 'stir things up'
i say he should shut up cause it aint doing a thing. and saying stuff about warne and ponting about the captaincy? what a load of crock, thats pretty stupid. its asif some people just pick random ideas out of a hat and whatever gets chosen theyll use as a 'stirrer'.
possibly the only thing the south african team has said... is
"... we'll target the inexperienced aussie middle order" (again along the lines of that)
^^ thats pretty true...too some extent
such a nay sayer if i ever saw one.....
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Robertinho
Cricketer Of The Year
"undue pressure"? Would you care to define that term?Scaly piscine said:
By loud appealing? Any umpire that is intimidated and "pressured" into giving dubious decisions by loud appealing shouldn't be an umpire.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
*cough*Asoka*cough*Maison said:yeah thats basically what i said somewhere else in this thread...
.... the umpires arent weak little children or parents who 'give into' people easily just to 'shut them up'
Tom Halsey
International Coach
I don't mind big appeals at all, but a 2nd appeal after the Umpire has already turned it down I don't agree with.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Haha, go you legend!Son Of Coco said:Look, what we have here is obviously a pic from the Boxing Day test - it's a religious time of the season and the umpire has asked for a 'hallelujah' and Shane and Ricky were only to happy to oblige.
Don't doctor it up to look like they were appealing!
The reason you can't see the opposition batsman is because they are both at the striker's end forming a two man choir - Warney lead singing 'Deck My Balls With Spin and Folly', and Ricky and the choir joined in with 'tralalalala lala la la'.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Undue pressure created by whining to the umpires on decisions that go against them, or the double appeal perfected by Warne. This behaviour undermines the umpires and puts undue pressure on them to give decisions in favour of the Aussies.Robertinho said:
Slow Love™
International Captain
I think this whole thing has probably been mischaracterised as an issue of "over-appealing", when in reality, it's about dissent. I'm not that worried about a bowler expressing disappointment when a shout gets turned down, it's a perfectly natural reaction, and they're human beings. Or when bowlers are excited as a match escalates in pressure. IMO, the real matter is whether bowlers and captains should be outright debating decisions on the field or arguing with the umpire, as Ponting and Warne have seemed to do on occasion.
In relation to what vic said, Rauf was showing a clear ignorance of the rules when he explained why Prince was not out - this is a very clear example of why it's perhaps wise for umpires not to explain in detail the reasons for their decisions on the field - they're under absolutely no obligation to do so. On the other hand, if you're going to bugger up like that, maybe it's best for the ICC reviewing your decisions that they DO know...
One thing about the whole over-appealing debate does bother me a little, and I think honestbharani mentioned it. There do seem to be some cultural presumptions at play along these lines, and comments from referees Proctor and Broad make me fairly uneasy in this regard. Would most people defending the Aussie appealing in this context make the same "anything goes" distinction when it comes to what happened in India under Mike Denness? Maybe some would, but you have to wonder. I really don't like the idea of different standards for different teams.
In relation to what vic said, Rauf was showing a clear ignorance of the rules when he explained why Prince was not out - this is a very clear example of why it's perhaps wise for umpires not to explain in detail the reasons for their decisions on the field - they're under absolutely no obligation to do so. On the other hand, if you're going to bugger up like that, maybe it's best for the ICC reviewing your decisions that they DO know...
One thing about the whole over-appealing debate does bother me a little, and I think honestbharani mentioned it. There do seem to be some cultural presumptions at play along these lines, and comments from referees Proctor and Broad make me fairly uneasy in this regard. Would most people defending the Aussie appealing in this context make the same "anything goes" distinction when it comes to what happened in India under Mike Denness? Maybe some would, but you have to wonder. I really don't like the idea of different standards for different teams.
Slats4ever
International Vice-Captain
if dissent had taken place chances are the umpires would've picked up on it and got up the players about it and let the world now.
I feel that dissent is a bit've on over reaction.
I also heard the commentators mention the point that seeing Australia are such a good side they get a heck of a lot more lbw appeals than other sides, so of course they're going to appeal more.
I feel that dissent is a bit've on over reaction.
I also heard the commentators mention the point that seeing Australia are such a good side they get a heck of a lot more lbw appeals than other sides, so of course they're going to appeal more.
Slow Love™
International Captain
I think that Warne was reported a few games ago by an umpire for dissent, even if he got off. Given that some articles are saying that Broad's suggesting they "tone it down a bit", it seems like there may be something to be looked at.Slats4ever said:
Regardless of whether people think the Aussies are worse than anybody else, I think the umpires are being pretty slack about players contesting their decisions on the field of late. And as some in the thread have mentioned, if it then gets out of hand, the umpires are partially responsible, for not having enforced those standards.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
So When aussies do it, it becomes an 'ART' or somehow indicative of their passion about the game.
Warne has great appeal: Langer
By Greg Buckle
December 31, 2005
ICC Match Referee Chris Broad says Australia's Shane Warne is "pushing the line" with his appealing style, but teammate Justin Langer says Warne's style provides some of the great theatre of the game.
Langer, 35, said he could recall as a 10-year-old leaping into an extravagant appeal to the umpire in an attempt to emulate his hero and fellow West Australian Dennis Lillee, the former Australian fast bowling great.
"My view on that is it's indicative of his passion for the game," Langer said today in defence of leg-spinner Warne.
"I remember as a kid watching Dennis Lillee appeal. It was one of the great sights of cricket.
"I used to run around as a 10-year-old, bowl and then appeal like Dennis Lillee.
"He thinks it out and he gives it a big appeal. To me that's just part of the game, part of the great theatre of the great Shane Warne.
"Yes he's putting pressure on the umpires but to me ... they think it's out and they appeal accordingly."
Lillee is also 36-year-old Warne's hero. Warne last week passed his idol's 1981 world record of 85 Test wickets in a calendar year.
Legspinner Warne finished with 96 at 22.02 after his six-wicket haul in the second Test at the MCG, which Australia won by 184 runs yesterday to take a 1-0 lead in the three-match series.
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Former England Test batsman Broad said yesterday he would be meeting with Warne later that night at the Australian's request to discuss his appealing style and reaction to umpiring decisions.
South African coach Mickey Arthur said during the second Test he felt Warne in particular was putting pressure on umpires but Arthur added he would love to have a bowler like Warne in his side.
Langer said critics needed to realise that constant appealing by slow bowlers was part of the game when fielders are crowding around the bat in a tense atmosphere.
"When you play on a wicket that is spinning a lot like we saw in Melbourne, there is a lot of people around the bat and there's a lot happening," Langer said.
"In the past we've been critical of over-appealing on the subcontinent but if you look at it, that's almost the nature of the game in those circumstances," said Langer, who is set to return from a hamstring injury for Monday's third and final Test in Sydney.
"There are people around the bat, there's a lot of action, particularly when you've got class bowlers.
"India have (Anil) Kumble and Harbhajan Singh, here we have Warnie and (Stuart) MacGill.
"There's just a lot happening. To me it's more the nature of the situation rather than over-appealing.
"It's not a tactic or anything like that. If we see it, we appeal if we think it's out.
"In those circumstances when there's a lot of times, there's a lot of times when we think they are out.
"I don't think we are over-appealing at all. To me it's just a part of the game."
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,17699403-1702,00.html?from=rss
Warne has great appeal: Langer
By Greg Buckle
December 31, 2005
ICC Match Referee Chris Broad says Australia's Shane Warne is "pushing the line" with his appealing style, but teammate Justin Langer says Warne's style provides some of the great theatre of the game.
Langer, 35, said he could recall as a 10-year-old leaping into an extravagant appeal to the umpire in an attempt to emulate his hero and fellow West Australian Dennis Lillee, the former Australian fast bowling great.
"My view on that is it's indicative of his passion for the game," Langer said today in defence of leg-spinner Warne.
"I remember as a kid watching Dennis Lillee appeal. It was one of the great sights of cricket.
"I used to run around as a 10-year-old, bowl and then appeal like Dennis Lillee.
"He thinks it out and he gives it a big appeal. To me that's just part of the game, part of the great theatre of the great Shane Warne.
"Yes he's putting pressure on the umpires but to me ... they think it's out and they appeal accordingly."
Lillee is also 36-year-old Warne's hero. Warne last week passed his idol's 1981 world record of 85 Test wickets in a calendar year.
Legspinner Warne finished with 96 at 22.02 after his six-wicket haul in the second Test at the MCG, which Australia won by 184 runs yesterday to take a 1-0 lead in the three-match series.
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Former England Test batsman Broad said yesterday he would be meeting with Warne later that night at the Australian's request to discuss his appealing style and reaction to umpiring decisions.
South African coach Mickey Arthur said during the second Test he felt Warne in particular was putting pressure on umpires but Arthur added he would love to have a bowler like Warne in his side.
Langer said critics needed to realise that constant appealing by slow bowlers was part of the game when fielders are crowding around the bat in a tense atmosphere.
"When you play on a wicket that is spinning a lot like we saw in Melbourne, there is a lot of people around the bat and there's a lot happening," Langer said.
"In the past we've been critical of over-appealing on the subcontinent but if you look at it, that's almost the nature of the game in those circumstances," said Langer, who is set to return from a hamstring injury for Monday's third and final Test in Sydney.
"There are people around the bat, there's a lot of action, particularly when you've got class bowlers.
"India have (Anil) Kumble and Harbhajan Singh, here we have Warnie and (Stuart) MacGill.
"There's just a lot happening. To me it's more the nature of the situation rather than over-appealing.
"It's not a tactic or anything like that. If we see it, we appeal if we think it's out.
"In those circumstances when there's a lot of times, there's a lot of times when we think they are out.
"I don't think we are over-appealing at all. To me it's just a part of the game."
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,17699403-1702,00.html?from=rss
Slats4ever
International Vice-Captain
what point are you making sanz? do you agree with the article?
howardj
International Coach
Who is Langer trying to fool? Everyone who has ever played the game knows that the vast majority of players appeal when they think that there is a chance it could be given out, as distinct from when they think that there is a chance that it actually is out. For Langer to not even concede this about the Australian team is nigh on laughable.Sanz said: