The Anti-McWarne lineup

[ankitj]

Surprised to see Kallis averages 53+ in 16 innings in Australia against McWarne. Why has he reputation of having poor record against the best bowlers?

 

[Ikki]

Surprised by that stat. Weirdly enough, when you change the search to either Warne or McGrath, and not just both; his average goes to 38 in 35 innings.

 

[abmk]

Don't think SRT has such a great record against both (mean both McGrath and Warne were playing) either.. Suppose he had very few games as well. A statsguru search might be interesting.

did fairly well in the 2 full series he played vs them:

99 tour of Aus , scored 270+ runs in 6 innings

2001 Aus tour of India, scored 300+ runs in 6 innings

one test in 2004 in India where he just returned from injury - he failed in that one ...

 

[abmk]

As an anomally given his far from stellar record against India, Warne got Dravid quite a few times. Yet based on how he plays i would pick david over Sehwag for this exercise.

well, I'm not so sure. Dravid struggled like hell in Aus vs McWarne in the 99 series ....

 

[honestbharani]

Here.

Tendulkar was actually good against them IN Australia. Only 3 matches though.

I like Howzat's list. The batsman that worried me, even against McWarne, the most during our era of dominance was easily Lara. Just by himself he could contain and attack them, to give his team a chance.

You have limited the search to away games.. Given overall, Kallis only averages 40 against McWarne..


And a host of other stuff changes. Personally, I would limit the search to McWarne rather than just away games because the sample size is juz ridiculously small for many players otherwise.

 

[Ikki]

I did that because the thread starter stipulated that the games be played in Australia.

EDIT: Er wait, did Spark mean at home in Australia or at the home of the batsman? Also, whilst the thread says anti-McWarne in the post he refers to the attack in general from 96 to 07.

 

[honestbharani]

I know.. but limiting ourselves to that sort of sample size juz seemed wrong to me.

 

[adub]

It does pop up a few interesting ones. Surprisingly large number of Kiwis have come over and scored runs against them.

Saeed Anwar
Michael Vaughn
Andrew Jones
Kevin Pietersen
Jacques Kallis
Nathan Astle
Adam Parore

 

[ganeshran]

Cullinan

 

[stephen]

I don't think I can find a spot for Flintoff in my team. There were better pure batsman and pure bowlers against Oz and Flintoff wasn't exactly great when he played in Australia either.

 

[Burgey]

From memory, Ijaz Ahmed did alright against Australia in the 90s.

I rated Ijaz. And more importantly, so did the Australian team at that time.

 

[Burgey]

I don't think I can find a spot for Flintoff in my team. There were better pure batsman and pure bowlers against Oz and Flintoff wasn't exactly great when he played in Australia either.

It's meant to be played here as well.

Don't think Fred will be skipper....

 

[morgieb]

Anwar
Kirsten
Vaughan
Lara
Tendulkar
Kallis
Parore

Oddly enough Ramps stats actually look quite good here.

 

[robelinda]

Hard to ignore Ijaz

Ijaz Ahmed 137 vs Australia 1996 SCG 3rd test - YouTube

Ijaz Ahmed 120* vs Australia 3rd test Karachi 1998 - YouTube

Ijaz Ahmed 123 vs Australia A 1996/97 - YouTube

Ijaz Ahmed 141 vs South Australia 1999/00 - YouTube

Ijaz Ahmed 115 vs Australia 3rd test WACA 1999 - YouTube

Ijaz Ahmed 155 vs Australia 2nd test 1998 - YouTube

 

[Spark]

I did that because the thread starter stipulated that the games be played in Australia.

EDIT: Er wait, did Spark mean at home in Australia or at the home of the batsman? Also, whilst the thread says anti-McWarne in the post he refers to the attack in general from 96 to 07.

Yes, the Tests are at Brisbane/Adelaide/Perth/Melbourne/Sydney.

 

[Uppercut]

Surprised to see Kallis averages 53+ in 16 innings in Australia against McWarne. Why has he reputation of having poor record against the best bowlers?

Because people like to make **** up about Kallis to avoid accepting how good he is.

 

[Burgey]

Because people like to make **** up about Kallis to avoid accepting how good he is.

Dunno why it is, but he's toured here however often, and I've never been worried he was going to take a game away from us.

I suspect it's his style - just goes about his business without much fuss. Kind of player who creeps up on you and you realise only when it's drawn to your attention how good he's been for SA.

 

[centurymaker]

Dunno why it is, but he's toured here however often, and I've never been worried he was going to take a game away from us.

I suspect it's his style - just goes about his business without much fuss. Kind of player who creeps up on you and you realise only when it's drawn to your attention how good he's been for SA.

like dravid.

 

[Uppercut]

Hmm, people seem to find Dravid more likeable as a person and a little bit better to watch. And he has a much bigger fanbase that doesn't let you forget how awesome he is.

 

[Prince EWS]

I've moved a whole heap of posts out of this thread; please try to keep it at least vaguely on topic.