Test match Records that will never be broken !!

[Bun]

Bradman's won't be broken.

You'd have to be phenominally consistent over 5 Tests, which is a lot harder than doing it over 3 Tests. I think Cook's series in Australia has made me appreciate just what exactly is involved in scoring 700+ runs in a series, and it's extremely difficult to do.

As for Tendulkar's record, there's no reason why Cook can't break it. Looking at their records between their debut and their 26th birthdays, Tendulkar scored 5,177 runs to Cook's 4,859. That's not a huge difference, and I'll wager that Cook will play a lot more Test cricket in the next 10 years than Tendulkar did in the equivelant 10 years of his career.

Like I said, Cook doesn't actually have to improve a great deal from the 45 averaging batsmen he's been so far. If he kicks on for a career average of 50, he'll easily reach 15,000 IMO.

It is not an easy task maintaining a 50 plus average. Few English players in the last few decades have managed to do that.

 

[vcs]

Bradman's won't be broken.

You'd have to be phenominally consistent over 5 Tests, which is a lot harder than doing it over 3 Tests. I think Cook's series in Australia has made me appreciate just what exactly is involved in scoring 700+ runs in a series, and it's extremely difficult to do.

As for Tendulkar's record, there's no reason why Cook can't break it. Looking at their records between their debut and their 26th birthdays, Tendulkar scored 5,177 runs to Cook's 4,859. That's not a huge difference, and I'll wager that Cook will play a lot more Test cricket in the next 10 years than Tendulkar did in the equivelant 10 years of his career.

Like I said, Cook doesn't actually have to improve a great deal from the 45 averaging batsmen he's been so far. If he kicks on for a career average of 50, he'll easily reach 15,000 IMO.

Cook will have to have a peak Ponting-like run for a good 3-4 years IMO. Doesn't help that English tracks are not as batsman-friendly as Australian wickets. Or it could be that he's just not as dominant in English conditions as Ponting was in Australia for a very large chunk of his career. Also, as an opener, it makes his job that much harder.

 

[Furball]

Cook will have to have a peak Ponting-like run for a good 3-4 years IMO. Doesn't help that English tracks are not as batsman-friendly as Australian wickets. Or it could be that he's just not as dominant in English conditions as Ponting was in Australia for a very large chunk of his career. Also, as an opener, it makes his job that much harder.

No he won't. He already has 5,000 runs from his first 5 years in Test cricket - 5 years which include a year without a Test century (2008) and a shocking home summer in 2010. He is 26. If he plays another 10 years without really improving much, with the volume of Test cricket England play, there is no reason why he won't score another 10,000 runs or so.

 

[Cevno]

Bradman's won't be broken.

You'd have to be phenominally consistent over 5 Tests, which is a lot harder than doing it over 3 Tests. I think Cook's series in Australia has made me appreciate just what exactly is involved in scoring 700+ runs in a series, and it's extremely difficult to do.

The problem with that record is their are not enough 5 test series these days except the Ashes ,though it may change in the future.

Yes it requires consistency but i can see it being broken in the future .

I am pretty sure had that series in Srilanka been 5 tests Lara would have come in striking distance given the form he was in.
Not only him even Graham Gooch got 752 runs in a 3 test series against India in 1990.
He just needed 223 runs more in 2 tests to brake it.

It would have been probably broken by now had there been more 5 test series between all teams.

As for Tendulkar's record, there's no reason why Cook can't break it. Looking at their records between their debut and their 26th birthdays, Tendulkar scored 5,177 runs to Cook's 4,859. That's not a huge difference, and I'll wager that Cook will play a lot more Test cricket in the next 10 years than Tendulkar did in the equivelant 10 years of his career.

Like I said, Cook doesn't actually have to improve a great deal from the 45 averaging batsmen he's been so far. If he kicks on for a career average of 50, he'll easily reach 15,000 IMO.

Sachin hasn't actually retired yet though and can see him getting a few more runs yet.

Besides if as you said that being consistent over 5 tests is difficult,being consistent over 15 or 16 years or whatever it will take to break the record is even more tough.

Not only will Cook have to play on till 35/36 he would have to be selected for all England tests ,not have a dip in form or any major injury.

Plus the intensity of test matches played and tests England play will have to remain same and he will most likely have to break the most tests played record too.

I think that record is breakable but can't see Cook being able to mantain his position so long to be able to do it himself.

 

[Furball]

Not only will Cook have to play on till 35/36 he would have to be selected for all England tests ,not have a dip in form or any major injury.

Plus the intensity of test matches played and tests England play will have to remain same and he will most likely have to break the most tests played record too.

I think that record is breakable but can't see Cook being able to mantain his position so long to be able to do it himself.

Cook's only 300 runs behind Tendulkar's total before his 26th birthday, despite failing to score a single Test century in 2008 and despite averaging about 20 in the home summer in 2010. He's already had 2 or 3 massive dips in form in his short Test career and he's still in a position where he should be able to comfortably threaten 15,000 Test runs.

 

[Cevno]

]Cook will have to have a peak Ponting-like run for a good 3-4 years IMO.[/B] Doesn't help that English tracks are not as batsman-friendly as Australian wickets. Or it could be that he's just not as dominant in English conditions as Ponting was in Australia for a very large chunk of his career. Also, as an opener, it makes his job that much harder.

True.

He will really have to have such a run ,as there are not many players who don't get a dip in form for 15/17 years.

Ponting at one stage looked all odds on ,to break Sachin's record but had a big dip subsequently and so did Dravid.

 

[Furball]

True.

He will really have to have such a run ,as there are not many players who don't get a dip in form for 15/17 years.

Ponting at one stage looked all odds on ,to break Sachin's record but had a big dip subsequently and so did Dravid.

Cook's already had at least 2 pretty significant dips in form.

He won't need to average anywhere near what Tendulkar has to surpass his volume of Test runs.

 

[Cevno]

Cook's only 300 runs behind Tendulkar's total before his 26th birthday, despite failing to score a single Test century in 2008 and despite averaging about 20 in the home summer in 2010. He's already had 2 or 3 massive dips in form in his short Test career and he's still in a position where he should be able to comfortably threaten 15,000 Test runs.

But the point is that if he has these dips at the age of 30+ will he be a guaranteed selection in the England team and also have the desire to continue till 36/37.

And not have injuries till then plus keep playing the same intensity of matches.

He is at 5130 runs in 5 years now and 65 matches.

So what you are saying even at this pace he would have to play 10 more years to 36 years of age and 195 matches to break Sachin's Record.

And that is assuming Sachin ends at 5130*3 = 15390 runs and not Counting in the fact that if Sachin ends at more than that as it is very conceivable then Cook will have to keep being selected and playing on at the same consistency to 37 or 38 years of age and play far in excess of 200 tests.

 

[vcs]

Yep, those dips in form are what worry me. Tendulkar in his dips between 2003-07 was probably averaging only a couple of points below Cook's career average.

IMO, the problem for Cook is, he plays his home matches in England, while he seems to be better suited to Australia or even the subcontinent, and secondly, he opens. While he does as good a job as can be expected of an opener in England, openers there tend to average a bit lower than in other countries as the new ball moves around a lot.

 

[Cevno]

Yep, those dips in form are what worry me. Tendulkar in his dips between 2003-07 was probably averaging only a couple of points below Cook's career average.

IMO, the problem for Cook is, he plays his home matches in England, while he seems to be better suited to Australia or even the subcontinent, and secondly, he opens. While he does as good a job as can be expected of an opener in England, openers there tend to average a bit lower than in other countries as the new ball moves around a lot.

Actually ,while i agree with you don't think being a opener is a disadvantage at all in the most runs charts at least.

He pretty much is guaranteed 2 innings in every match he plays to score runs ,even if his team declares or is chasing a small target or playing out for a draw etc.... Which isn't the case for a middle order bat.

 

[The Sean]

The problem with that record is their are not enough 5 test series these days except the Ashes ,though it may change in the future.

Yes it requires consistency but i can see it being broken in the future .

I am pretty sure had that series in Srilanka been 5 tests Lara would have come in striking distance given the form he was in.
Not only him even Graham Gooch got 752 runs in a 3 test series against India in 1990.
He just needed 223 runs more in 2 tests to brake it.

It would have been probably broken by now had there been more 5 test series between all teams.

And if Gooch had gotten a duck in his only innings in the next Test, he would have needed 223 in one Test. Graeme Smith got 277 and 259 in consecutive Tests to start a series against England a few years back and there was talk of him breaking Bradman's record too, but it didn't happen. I don't agree that we can just assume players would have continued averaging 100+ over for two more Tests, just because they had for the previous three - they might have, but I would never call it "probable." The history of cricket would seem to argue against it.

 

[Cevno]

And if Gooch had gotten a duck in his only innings in the next Test, he would have needed 223 in one Test. Graeme Smith got 277 and 259 in consecutive Tests to start a series against England a few years back and there was talk of him breaking Bradman's record too, but it didn't happen. I don't agree that we can just assume players would have continued averaging 100+ over for two more Tests, just because they had for the previous three - they might have, but I would never call it "probable." The history of cricket would seem to argue against it.

There is no way to tell for certain. But you cannot claim it to improbable too if not probable.

That record does not seem unbreakable to me if there are more 5 test series in the future,though.

 

[The Sean]

That record does not seem unbreakable to me if there are more 5 test series in the future,though.

I'd agree with you there. If I had money on it, I would bet against it being broken - but I wouldn't label it "unbreakable."

 

[Cevno]

AB de Villiers is another contender for that Record of most runs.

Him going on a ponting type run is more likely that Cook ,but SA don't play as many tests as England and don't know how long he will last with his style of busy batting.

 

[Furball]

AB de Villiers is another contender for that Record of most runs.

Him going on a ponting type run is more likely that Cook ,but SA don't play as many tests as England.

Has been on a Ponting-esque run for the last 2-3 years.

 

[vcs]

AB de Villiers is another contender for that Record of most runs.

Him going on a ponting type run is more likely that Cook ,but SA don't play as many tests as England and don't know how long he will last with his style of busy batting.

IMO, Smith, Amla and De Villiers all have a great chance of ending up very high on the top run-scorers list. Just find it a bit surprising that SA seem to have not played that much cricket in the last couple of years with such a settled side.

 

[Teja.]

IMO, Smith, Amla and De Villiers all have a great chance of ending up very high on the top run-scorers list. Just find it a bit surprising that SA seem to have not played that much cricket in the last couple of years with such a settled side.

Still baffles me how SA isn't destroying anyone in sight tbh.

 

[The Sean]

One more - Border's 153 consecutive Tests.

Jayawardene and De Villiers are the two closest active players and both less than half way to Border's mark. Again, I wouldn't call the record absolutely "unbreakable" but whoever does break it will be bloody tired.

 

[Cevno]

One more - Border's 153 consecutive Tests.

Jayawardene and De Villiers are the two closest active players and both less than half way to Border's mark. Again, I wouldn't call the record absolutely "unbreakable" but whoever does break it will be bloody tired.

Dravid was on target for that but had to miss his a test due to Fever .

Is a very tough record to break.

 

[Migara]

1. Hard to beat, but won't rule it out.
2. Ditto, reckon Cook's a chance of beating the test one myself.
3. Bit of a strange record, but yeah it's hard to beat.
4. Hard to beat, but not totally impossible.
5. Ditto.
6. Tugga didn't get 3 WC wins. Reckon it's beatable if we can find a side that's as good as Australia, but it won't be easy.
7. Hard to beat, but not impossible. Outside chance that Tendy might get 7.

Well I am talking about Highest Test + ODI wickets record and Highest Test + ODI runs aggregate belonging to the same player (Murali and SRT in this instance)