Team Trades

[subshakerz]

I think the difference will be on average more than 1-2 countries and 2-3 runs.

It's not just runs, it's Hayden aggression.

Aussies like having at least one aggressive partner. They had Slater with Taylor for example.

 

[DrWolverine]

I wonder if the Australians would pick Boyc over Hayden, Boyc wasn't an aggressive bat (at all) but he sure was an aggressive fella, would probably sledge the whole opposition before the day's done

Boycott > Hayden

Screw aggression. As long as you can score runs and win matches, nothing else matters

 

[subshakerz]

Having an opener like Sunny who will be tough to dismiss is a huge asset especially in 2025 where batsmen can barely play 2 sessions

I agree on merit Sunny deserves it, I just don't think Aussies would prefer him since Hayden clicked with the team vibe more.

 

[Johan]

Screw aggression. As long as you can score runs and win matches, nothing else matters

Boycott is underrated in this regard, contributed to many, many match saves or wins on tough wickets which Hayden would completely screw up

 

[DrWolverine]

Sunny was very aggressive but in a different way.

This was the guy who took his partner and threatened to walk out after being given out unfairly.

This was at a time when Australia/England were ruling cricket, BCCI did not have the money power and India were not a strong team. It was the equivalent of Arjuna Ranatunga threatening to leave but in this case Gavaskar stood up for himself and not others.

 

[subshakerz]

Boycott is underrated in this regard, contributed to many, many match saves or wins on tough wickets which Hayden would completely screw up

You think 2000s Aussies are concerned about saving matches?

 

[Johan]

You think 2000s Aussies are concerned about saving matches?

he was prolific when the going gets easy too but I get what you mean.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's not just runs, it's Hayden aggression.

Aussies like having at least one aggressive partner. They had Slater with Taylor for example.

Langer struck as fast as Hayden. Think in Tests a plus of having an ATG opener over an ATVG more than upsets a 15 SR

 

[subshakerz]

Langer struck as fast as Hayden. Think in Tests a plus of having an ATG opener over an ATVG more than upsets a 15 SR

I'm not talking about whether it makes more sense but whether Waugh/Ponting as captains actually go for Sunny over Hayden. I don't see it actually.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'm not talking about whether it makes more sense but whether Waugh/Ponting as captains actually go for Sunny over Hayden. I don't see it actually.

Like Steve himself struck as fast as Sunny.

 

[subshakerz]

I think what you all might be missing is that 2000s had a winning formula of dominating the opposition from the start that they are likely to stick to even at the cost of those situations when a more technically correct opener can stick it out.

 

[subshakerz]

Like Steve himself struck as fast as Sunny.

Steve as captain was different than him as a bat.

 

[Johan]

Botham's career is basically

First 53% = Imran level

Next 35% = Still very good and constantly winning games, better than his numbers even though has clearly regressed a good bit.

last 12% = how did blud make the team?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Steve as captain was different than him as a bat.

No I meant they had a few reasonably slow players. I can't see them benching Steve for Clarke ever. And in the 2000s in a strong batting, I totally expect Gavaskar to struck at mid 50s atleast

 

[subshakerz]

No I meant they had a few reasonably slow players. I can't see them benching Steve for Clarke ever. And in the 2000s in a strong batting, I totally expect Gavaskar to struck at mid 50s atleast

2000s was mostly strokemakers. If you think Gavaskar will reinvent himself as primarily one then that's ok I guess.

 

[capt_Luffy]

2000s was mostly strokemakers. If you think Gavaskar will reinvent himself as primarily one then that's ok I guess.

Gavaskar was a strokemaker, unlike say a Boycott. Greenidge struck at 50, don't think there's anyone who will not call him a strokemaker. Gavaskar did at 45. Given Era and batting strength, I see it naturally go up to 50s. I just can't see a scenario where any team would prefer Hayden over Gavaskar.

 

[Coronis]

Do teams make the following trades?

2000s Australia exchanging Hayden for Gavaskar?

80s WI exchanging Walsh for Ashwin?

Current India exchanging Bumrah for Murali?

70s/80s England exchanging Botham for Ponting?

90s Pakistan exchanging Wasim for Kallis?

Possibly. The Aussies did prefer a very aggressive style of batting, but especially after Waugh’s retirement it would be very good to have Gavaskar.

Depends. Is this before or after Garner and Holding retired? If before, yes. If after, I don’t think its that clear cut. Pace was really seen as the be all and end all then. I think yes he would’ve been better for the team, but as far as selection… it wouldn’t surprise me if he only got Harper levels of opportunity.

No.

Again time dependant. But no, not for the early part of his career certainly. Second half of the 80’s, definitely.

Nah.

 

[subshakerz]

Possibly. The Aussies did prefer a very aggressive style of batting, but especially after Waugh’s retirement it would be very good to have Gavaskar.

Depends. Is this before or after Garner and Holding retired? If before, yes. If after, I don’t think its that clear cut. Pace was really seen as the be all and end all then. I think yes he would’ve been better for the team, but as far as selection… it wouldn’t surprise me if he only got Harper levels of opportunity.

No.

Again time dependant. But no, not for the early part of his career certainly. Second half of the 80’s, definitely.

Nah.

Why Bumrah over Murali?

 

[subshakerz]

Gavaskar was a strokemaker, unlike say a Boycott. Greenidge struck at 50, don't think there's anyone who will not call him a strokemaker. Gavaskar did at 45. Given Era and batting strength, I see it naturally go up to 50s. I just can't see a scenario where any team would prefer Hayden over Gavaskar.

Hayden was the peer rated top opener of the 2000s. I am just saying he wouldn't be that easy to dislodge and I can see Ponting selecting him if he is in top form.

 

[Johan]

Boycott could make strokes but mostly chose not to, this all just comes down to opening being far easier outside England than in England, on flat wickets he can go for it. He was a master at square cut, cover drive and straight drive.