subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Which ODI AR would you want in your side?
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Symonds vs Klusener vs Flintoff
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DrWolverine
First Class Debutant
This baseball legend
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Flintoff and daylight second.
Klusener was a batting allrounder who had to bat in a bowling allrounder's position to be effective. Worked fine for SA but it'd be a problem for another side. Most teams throughout history would try to get more out of him by batting him in the top five or six, and his numbers wouldn't be as good in that role.
Symonds was a gun ODI bat and an ATG fielder but he was really just a good sixth bowling option.
Flintoff was one of the best ODI bowlers of all time - and this is a highly under-appreciated fact when you look at his economy rate compared to the others in his era - and a very good #5 bat. In contention as ODI GOAT for me.
Klusener was a batting allrounder who had to bat in a bowling allrounder's position to be effective. Worked fine for SA but it'd be a problem for another side. Most teams throughout history would try to get more out of him by batting him in the top five or six, and his numbers wouldn't be as good in that role.
Symonds was a gun ODI bat and an ATG fielder but he was really just a good sixth bowling option.
Flintoff was one of the best ODI bowlers of all time - and this is a highly under-appreciated fact when you look at his economy rate compared to the others in his era - and a very good #5 bat. In contention as ODI GOAT for me.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Zulu
cricketglobe
Cricket Spectator
The zulu of cricket was the hammer to the bowlers and was part of that legendary South African team that was quite above the Australian team, but they lost by their bad luck most of the time. Klusner must coach any cricket team to see that team rise. The Legend for sure.
sayon basak
International Regular
Always felt like Symonds was overrated.
Betterpolo
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Actually having been at Edgbaston for that semi-final I have rarely seen a cricket ball hit as hard as it was by Klusener that day. Even rarer is to see a player hit such a high and such a low to quite that extent in such a short space of time. His stats are much better than I remembered too, but would probably go for peak Flintoff by a whisker.
(Both have a big home/away gap interestingly)
(Both have a big home/away gap interestingly)
SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
Jadeja
I would take Flintoff in ODIs just for his bowling skills alone. I remember his spell to Sachin Tendulkar and Virendra Sehwag in WC 2003.
They (particularly Tendulkar) were in full flow, absolutely ripping apart the English attack of Caddick and Anderson, when Flintoff came into bowl in the 10th over.
Flintoff pretty much instantly removed Sehwag. And over the next 30 mins, he bowled 10 or 11 deliveries to Tendulkar (almost all of them in
the first 15 overs with most fielders in the circle), from which Tendulkar managed to eke out just 1 or 2 runs before Flintoff finally got him too.
It was one of the greatest spells of ODI bowling I have seen. Strangling one of the greatest ODI batsmen in full flight and getting his wicket too.
Difference between Flintoff and rest of the English bowlers in that match was simply unbelievable.
They (particularly Tendulkar) were in full flow, absolutely ripping apart the English attack of Caddick and Anderson, when Flintoff came into bowl in the 10th over.
Flintoff pretty much instantly removed Sehwag. And over the next 30 mins, he bowled 10 or 11 deliveries to Tendulkar (almost all of them in
the first 15 overs with most fielders in the circle), from which Tendulkar managed to eke out just 1 or 2 runs before Flintoff finally got him too.
It was one of the greatest spells of ODI bowling I have seen. Strangling one of the greatest ODI batsmen in full flight and getting his wicket too.
Difference between Flintoff and rest of the English bowlers in that match was simply unbelievable.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Flintoff is last for me as he never produced a top innings in a World Cup (averaged 18.78).
Razzaq, Shakib, and Neil Johnson were better.
Razzaq, Shakib, and Neil Johnson were better.
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Johan
International Debutant
Flintoff in ODI is pure ATG numbers, 32 batting average and a striker, 24 bowling average in the 2000s? pure awesomeness.
Silver Silva
International Regular
You could play all 3 together so I'd take all of them .
5.Symonds - Off Spinner
7.Flintoff - Fast bowler
8.Klusener - Medium Pacer
5.Symonds - Off Spinner
7.Flintoff - Fast bowler
8.Klusener - Medium Pacer
sayon basak
International Regular
Jayasuriya is a much, much better option for the additional spinner's slot. Also a solid opener.
Symonds is no way making it in. I'd choose Shakib or Yuvraj ahead of him comfortably.
sayon basak
International Regular
Woakes
sayon basak
International Regular
Btw Klusener could bowl at serious pace. His fastest delivery was clocked at 154 kmph.
For a couple of years, after that his pace dropped sharply.
Mohammed Azharuddin gave him nightmares though.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
I think you are underrating Symonds in the field. Apart from Harris, no top other allrounder came close as a fielder although Jayasuriya and Maxwell were/are very good. I also rate Collingwood as an all-rounder as he was a decent fielder.
A major reason why SA, SL, and NZ were the biggest challenges to the great Australian team was that they were good fielding units.