Sunil blasts the Australians part II

[R_D]

The nature of the internet means that one can probably find articles to support whatever persecution complex one happens to be festering, but a lot of Sunny's article is quite unattractive &, in parts, not a little nonsensical.

He even uses the opportunity to launch into a tirade about India hosting the 2010 hockey world cup:

"Talking of bullying, one wonders what the reaction of these people would be to the threat of the Federation of International Hockey to take away the 2010 World Cup hockey from India, unless India totally accepts project ‘Promoting Indian Hockey’ that was being proposed by the FIH. How and why should the staging of the World Cup be linked to a development project is hard to understand, but that kind of bullying does not raise any comment from these guys, presumably because it is coming from Europeans, while the BCCI standing behind its player who was wrongly and falsely accused of racist comment is looked as strong-arm tactics.Wow!"

Now, I'm sorry if India is being forced into measures it doesn't want, but surely the reason "these guys" haven't passed comment on what is quite clearly a hockey issue is that, being cricket writers/commentators/administrators, they either don't know or don't care about it. His use of "Europeans" isn't very nice either; if Geoff Boycott (to pick another embittered opener entirely at random) had used "Indians" in the same context he'd be (rightly) castigated as (at best) the worst kind of little Englander & at worst a borderline racist.

This is becoming quite a norm in this forum.. If a European had doen it than imagine the racism uproar in Subcontinant etc..
i wonder why the Europeans maybe accused of racist motives at times maybe because the Europeans have a long history of being racist so its goin to take more than just 30 or 40 years of trying to correct your society for people to stop from this perception.
You guys may not have directly done the deeds but there's a saying that says your future generation has to pay for the wrong doings of your ancestors... so please don't give me why are we accused for the wrongs of our shameful ancestors.

 

[R_D]

there is an old saying that whenever ur pointing at someone else.. u r pointing one finger toward them while four fingers toward urself... i am not saying Aussies are angles but all i am saying that Gavasker isn't less than Aussies.. he has become the bad apple between two teams lately and his chearleading attitude for india is just disgraceful..

Doubt you would've saied the same if Gavaskar wasn't from India.
You're constant bashing of anything remotely Indian getting boring and old now.

 

[R_D]

more links and we could see a little bit more change

 

[R_D]

It would be valid, if anyone actually thought it. And only complete ninconpoops would think Australians were more viable for controlling the game than Asians simply because they're Australians.

Fact that quite a few people are writting about it and ICC quickly tried to find a way to not elect Bindra says there quite a few people thinking about it that 2 Indians at top is not a good thing while 2 aussies being there wasn't a big problem.

 

[R_D]

Actually mate, I care about it when a paid ICC official sees fit to write columns accusing other ICC officials of being racist, as he did earlier about Procter accepting one set of players' words over others because of their skin colour.
That was appalling, frankly. And if he continues commenting on issues like that and also throwing around this post-colonial stuff in the media, then his position at the ICC must be untenable. Either he stays at the ICC and tries to implement changes for the better from within, or he sees fit to comment on ICC officials and referees externally. How he, or anyone else for that matter, can do both and not have it considered a massive conflict of interest is beyond me.

With the way Procter has genrally behaved towards sub-cont teams and usually letting off Australian players squat free.... makes you wonder what the hell is the guy upto.
ICC champions trophy Gayle and MJ Clarke...... Clarke got off squat free.... many similar instances where he has let off teams of anglo-sax backgrouns and punished players from sub-cont background. When the guy's showing clear double standrads is laying the law.. you have to question his integrity.

He's the same guy who stated that Aus, NZ etc play in more aggrssive manner while Indians play in a more milder manner so that should be taken into consideration? WHen he was asked about Aus excessive appealing against WI. Funny thing this same guy fined and banned half of indian team for excessive appealing against SA.

He's clearning showing discrimination in the way he's applying the law... i won't accuse him of being racist but implication are there.

 

[honestbharani]

From the article;

As soon as Mr Bindra’s name was announced, there were a flurry of articles in England and Australia that giving him the job would put too much power in India’s hands, as Mr Pawar was going to be President of the ICC in 2010.

Anyone else wondering where this 'flurry' of articles is coming from? Smacks of the oldest trick in the political play-book (used extensively by George W); make some random statement along the lines of "Many people are saying x....." and write and article about why you disagree with it to make a point, despite that there's not 'many' people saying it at all.

Seriously, where's this coverage supposedly been? The only stuff I've seen in Aussie papers is the appointment of Patel.

you might wanna check out the Cricinfo Surfer page to see how many guys wrote about "India having too much power".. I guess it is not enough to qualify as many but then again, when it comes to cricket writing, the word "many" is never really used in the correct sense and it usually only means "some".....



Sunny is right about the "too much power" thing though.... No way is it right to say that India would have too much power if they have both the President and Chief Executive from there when the same scenario existed just a while back, only diff. being that it were Aussies at that time. That is jus a load of BS.


But some of the other stuff in that article are just...... meh. He is still bitter from the way him and his country and his board were treated in the past, I think. Not that it is not understandable, but beyond a point, raising those issues now is juz becoming plain boring.

 

[masterblaster]

Doubt you would've saied the same if Gavaskar wasn't from India.
You're constant bashing of anything remotely Indian getting boring and old now.

Agree with that. Haroon exemplifies the old attitude that many Indian's and Pakistani's used to have. Hate everything about each other, even if it makes no rational sense. Thankfully, the majority of Indian and Pakistani supporters have grown to show tolerance, sportsmanship and grace with regards to each other's cricket team.

People like Haroon (on both the Indian side and the Pakistani side) are stale and completely irrelevant in today's modern landscape. Why build more walls when both cricketing and national cultures are so similar? There's more similarity between India and Pakistan then any other two cricketing nations in the world.

There's always room for Indian's to respect Pakistani cricket and for Pakistani's to respect Indian cricket. His constant bagging of anything Indian doesn't do anything for his character on this forum.

 

[biased indian]

Actually mate, I care about it when a paid ICC official sees fit to write columns accusing other ICC officials of being racist, as he did earlier about Procter

his is a honorary post i think

 

[BoyBrumby]

Oh come off it. People have been actually using this sort of language for quite some time, here is one for example :-

http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/crickets-power-base-has-shifted/2007/02/09/1170524302955.html

Seven years ago, England and Wales Cricket Board chairman Lord McLaurin returned from an International Cricket Council meeting and addressed his country's county chiefs.

Referring to the Asian subcontinent, he delivered the message: "The future of the game is black."

No one has called Mr. Mclaurin a racist for that remark.

Actually things that are being written about India's power in world cricket is much more offensive.

That's not remotely the same context tho, is it? Sunil was clearly implying that if the hockey powers-that-be weren't "European" everyone would've been up in arms about it. McLaurin was stating a fact: India is the financial powerhouse of the game. There's no negative connotation in that per se.

 

[BoyBrumby]

This is becoming quite a norm in this forum.. If a European had doen it than imagine the racism uproar in Subcontinant etc..
i wonder why the Europeans maybe accused of racist motives at times maybe because the Europeans have a long history of being racist so its goin to take more than just 30 or 40 years of trying to correct your society for people to stop from this perception.
You guys may not have directly done the deeds but there's a saying that says your future generation has to pay for the wrong doings of your ancestors... so please don't give me why are we accused for the wrongs of our shameful ancestors.

WTF? Seriously, where did I mention anything about my "shameful ancestors"? & FWIW, just because I'm English you shouldn't assume all my ancestors are. & are we to infer that you think anyone who isn't European gets a free pass on dodgy statements based on the broadest perceptions of race?

 

[Ikki]

That's not remotely the same context tho, is it? Sunil was clearly implying that if the hockey powers-that-be weren't "European" everyone would've been up in arms about it. McLaurin was stating a fact: India is the financial powerhouse of the game. There's no negative connotation in that per se.

Come on mate. I agree with what you're saying altogether but there is some negative connotation with the way McLaurin used it. 'Black' seems to be meant pejoratively there.

 

[honestbharani]

That's not remotely the same context tho, is it? Sunil was clearly implying that if the hockey powers-that-be weren't "European" everyone would've been up in arms about it. McLaurin was stating a fact: India is the financial powerhouse of the game. There's no negative connotation in that per se.

hmmm... the word "black" doesn't have a negative connotation?????

 

[BoyBrumby]

Come on mate. I agree with what you're saying altogether but there is some negative connotation with the way McLaurin used it. 'Black' seems to be meant pejoratively there.

I don't think it is; the article quotes McLaurin to show his prescience.

hmmm... the word "black" doesn't have a negative connotation?????

No, it doesn't. People are unproblematically referred to as "black". Chris Gayle is a black cricketer, for instance. How is that negative?

 

[honestbharani]

I don't think it is; the article quotes McLaurin to show his prescience.



No, it doesn't. People are unproblematically referred to as "black". Chris Gayle is a black cricketer, for instance. How is that negative?

depends on who is using it and in what context.



Generally, it is not always the best thing to do... Being a white guy and calling someone black. Not that it is wrong but the sensitivities from all those years of racism needs to be respected.


It is like in India with casteism... There were certain words used to call people from the "supposedly" lower castes and it is considered bad to use those words in reference to them in this age...... Even if the words themselves don't mean anything so villifying.....

 

[Foilling Around]

Hello everyone, my first post on this forum. Following forumites with 16,000+ and 7,000+ postings is somewhat daunting!

Cricket was my first love as a sport, but my main sport now is fencing, hence the none cricket related "nom de plume". I am also a geography teacher.

Leaving aside the silly slanging matches in parts of this thread (which happen in all forums) let's look at the facts.

Cricket is a business as well as a sport and is not immune to the shifts in global power and influence. In fact I would say it it showing the way of the future.

Uncomfortable as it my be for me sitting on a sofa on a cold day in Nottingham, The future lies further east.

India and China between then contain about 37% of the World population (2.4 billion out of 6.5 billion). Add in Pakistan and Bangladesh and you have over 40% of the World Population.

Up until now those population have been so poor that they have not had the financial or political muscle to affect world events.

Even a slight rise in the average wealth of these two nations will see a massive change in the economic and political centre of the world.

The Indian Cricket League is just the start. Whether is is a good thing or a bad thing is irrelevant, you might as well debate whether sunrise is a good thing. All we can do is learn to live with it.

If you add together the populations of every other cricket playing nation on the planet (including Pakistan) it would not even get to 50% of the popultation of India - and by all accounts Cricket dominates the sporting climate of that country.

20:20 cricket is the game for the modern generation. In the "more developed" world children are losing the ability to concentrate on tasks. The "entertain me" generation are brought up on interactive TV, video games, fast food and ipods - all things with high levels of sensory input. They are losing the ability to entertain themselves and concentrate on something a long drawn out as 50 over cricket - never mind the 4 and 5 day game.

I hope this helps the debate and I would urge everyone to keep the racial card in their back pocket.

 

[pasag]

Welcome to the forum mate, great first post.

 

[Laurrz]

20:20 cricket is the game for the modern generation. In the "more developed" world children are losing the ability to concentrate on tasks. The "entertain me" generation are brought up on interactive TV, video games, fast food and ipods - all things with high levels of sensory input. They are losing the ability to entertain themselves and concentrate on something a long drawn out as 50 over cricket - never mind the 4 and 5 day game.

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really frightens me that paragraph, lol.. i watch TV, play video games, enjoy fast food and have an ipod.. but test cricket for me is the pinnacle..does that mean i am of a minority? surely not..
hopefully test cricket will not die.. wish all 3 forms of the game will prosper equally

 

[ret]

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/343839.html

"Gavaskar will be asked to choose between conflicting roles" ^

Coming back to hockey, it is apparent that Ric Charlesworth has set his eyes on becoming the coach of the senior team. Joaquim Carvalho worked only for about 11 months with pretty good results till that one bad game in Santiago. Charlesworth, as Technical Consultant, will get many times more than what Carvalho got, and with more technical support as well.

If he is really keen to do something for Indian hockey, he should accept the challenge of working at Carvalho’s salary and showing results by getting India the gold medal at the Commonwealth Games. If he does achieve that then he should be given the balance of the fees he was promised when he came for the job.

Why does he have to worry abt what that guy is going to make? Thats none of his business

 

[pup11]

Really Gavaskar is losing whatever little respect he had in the global cricket circuit, for god's sake he is involved with the ICC and he should mind the kind of words he is using, i mean he just comes across a man with a lot of venom inside him for other nations, he is still stuck in some pre-historic period because he definitely doesn't seem to be in sync with the current times.

 

[Sanz]

That's not remotely the same context tho, is it? Sunil was clearly implying that if the hockey powers-that-be weren't "European" everyone would've been up in arms about it. McLaurin was stating a fact: India is the financial powerhouse of the game. There's no negative connotation in that per se.

Well what can I say, if you do not see any negative connotation in that statement.