Stuart MacGill announces his retirement

[honestbharani]

The teams made a pact to take word of the fielder which aus didnt first and then india followed. The whole symonds/singh racial slur was just pathetic, if monkey gets symonds upset then that will do me.
Michael Clarke not to walk when it was clear he was out was just the worst thing Ive ever seen.
Ive hated the aussie way of sledging, Mcgrath started giving batman a gob full, then lee and now guys like johnson and clark doing it.
Win at all costs.......is a perfect way to discribe Australian cricket, never mind nobody turns up because you win, as long as you win everyone is happy.

Do you honestly think Australia winning 2 WC's without loosing a game, destroying england 5-0, basically winning everything is good for cricket. India winning 20/20 was fantastic for cricket. Look at crowds all over the world, look at quality of junior players all over the world. The game isnt in a good way at the moment, and the dominance of Australia has a big part to do with it.

lol, mate... I am an Indian and I love the Indian cricket team and want them to win just about everything... But even I have to say, you are going waaaaaay OTT with that post. The Aussie cricket team are not that bad and neither is the Indian cricket team or its supporters and fans that good.



And the other thing is, this is a pretty sensitive topic, esp. the incidents of India's tour of Aus recently and they have been discussed to death. The consensus is that neither side are going to change their opinion. So it is better not to bring it up too much, if possible.


And welcome to the forums.

 

[honestbharani]

But what were their first-chance averages v McGrath?

No argument, they were/ are great players.

But Tendulkar averages 36 in 9 tests when McGrath played (unless I've ballsed-up statsguru which is as likely as not), not sure how many times he got him out though.

Likewise, Lara like Tendulkar scored a heap of runs v Australia, but equally McGrath got him out, iirc a dozen or more times in tests. So whilst I wouldn't say he necessarily dominated either of them, neither did they dominate him.

I think when it comes McGrath V Lara and Tendulkar, it is even stevens. I don't think one can claim to have really dominated the other.


Tendulkar's record V Australia when McGrath plays does go down a bit though, but then again those dubious decisions did play a part, as they should with Lara, IMO. I mean that last tour of his to Australia, he got about 4 bad ones out of the 8 times he batted. And a couple of times he got out to amazing catches... Talk about bad luck when in form. He looked good for a SL type series there, IMHO...


As I said, for me, the 3 have been equal in their battles and there is no clear cut winner as such. Maybe a couple of points here and there depending on your preference and PoV but otherwise there is nothing to choose.

 

[Jono]

Yeah I agree, shows how legendary McGrath is really, to tackle those two titans and come out even, and arguagbly slightly on top.

And with regards to Lara's 2006/07 tour, wow did he cop some horrible ones.

*Lee coming around the wicket, ball hitting him on leg, so obviously going down*
*umpire raises the finger*

Reckon that happened at least twice, if not three times. Was horrid.

 

[DaRick]

Yeah I agree, shows how legendary McGrath is really, to tackle those two titans and come out even, and arguagbly slightly on top.

And with regards to Lara's 2006/07 tour, wow did he cop some horrible ones.

*Lee coming around the wicket, ball hitting him on leg, so obviously going down*
*umpire raises the finger*

Reckon that happened at least twice, if not three times. Was horrid.

2005/06...and yes, he did cop some pretty sucky calls. That was all forgotten, though, in the wake of that epic 226.

 

[Ikki]

But what were their first-chance averages v McGrath?

No argument, they were/ are great players.

But Tendulkar averages 36 in 9 tests when McGrath played (unless I've ballsed-up statsguru which is as likely as not), not sure how many times he got him out though.

Likewise, Lara like Tendulkar scored a heap of runs v Australia, but equally McGrath got him out, iirc a dozen or more times in tests. So whilst I wouldn't say he necessarily dominated either of them, neither did they dominate him.

Sachin, I'll agree with to an extent, even though he was unlucky with a few calls but Lara I am not quite sure. Lara almost everytime he managed to get past the first few overs against McGrath ended up scoring massively. Even when you only consider innings that McGrath got Lara's wicket, he averages 41.

Maybe I'm wrong. I think a lot of fast bowlers tend to have this record - being scored off then getting some back. In my mind it has a lot to do with opening the bowling against said batsmen, when they are largely unsettled plucking off a few single digit scores.

 

[silentstriker]

This I'm not so sure about. Reckon Tendulkar landed plenty of decent hits, myself. Against Warne, Tendulkar the winner, no question. Against McGrath, I reckon it's pretty even. Neither of them made the other look foolish whereas with Warne, injured or not, Tendulkar made mincemeat of his around the wicket bowling in 1997. I mean, most sane batsmen would just nurdle big turning leg-breaks from around the wicket to fine-leg because the risk of a top-edge playing against the spin is pretty high. Tendulkar made a habit of slapping them over mid-wicket for 6 instead. That, sir, is freakin' amazing. Never seen a player before or since do that regularly.

I remember Mark Taylor describing that. Warne bowled one around the wicket and it turned a mile. Sachin put his foot down and it sailed over midwicket. So Taylor came to talk to Warne and asked 'So what do we do now, mate?' Warne said, "We're going to lose now, mate.'

It was on youtube somewhere, I'll try to find it.

 

[silentstriker]

Haha, poor guy. Even MacGill's retirment thread becomes about Warne.

 

[Ikki]

I remember Mark Taylor describing that. Warne bowled one around the wicket and it turned a mile. Sachin put his foot down and it sailed over midwicket. So Taylor came to talk to Warne and asked 'So what do we do now, mate?' Warne said, "We're going to lose now, mate.'

It was on youtube somewhere, I'll try to find it.

Haha, legendary.

Haha, poor guy. Even MacGill's retirment thread becomes about Warne.

 

[shankar]

But Tendulkar averages 36 in 9 tests when McGrath played (unless I've ballsed-up statsguru which is as likely as not), not sure how many times he got him out though.

The average is misleading because they've faced off so rarely in tests. '98 and '03 - McGrath missing, '04 - Tendulkar missing for two tests. Even in the two tests that he played, he only came back because India were struggling and not because he was fully recovered. It was especially clear that in Nagpur he was a shadow of his normal self. So unfortunately they've had a proper face-off only in two series '99 in Aus and '01 India. In '99 he was the MOTS and in '01 he averaged close to 50 and played a key part in India winning it.

 

[Jono]

Haha, poor guy. Even MacGill's retirment thread becomes about Warne.

MacGill retired in the same week as the Rajasthan Royals won the IPL under Warne's captaincy.

He'll never escape being in his shadow lol.

 

[Jono]

It would be hard to find less of a fairytale farewell to cricket than Stuart MacGill's last hurrah in the Antigua Test.

His announcement of his retirement, made midway through a three-Test series a long way from home, was all but ignored globally as it coincided with the IPL finals weekend. In the match itself he bowled poorly, taking 1 for 177. It has now been revealed that he has been fined his entire match fee, around A$15,000, after missing the team bus to the ground on the second day of the Test.

Ouch

 

[Migara]

I checked mate, and it's 6 matches and 10 innings. Aravinda did not do well against McGrath or Australia as a whole. Warne took him thrice, McGrath twice, Fleming and M.Waugh once each and he had 2 not-outs. All for an average of 36 and an SR not much higher. Not in the same zip code as how the Indians did here all those times. If he played us magnificently; Sachin, Rahul and VVS murdered us.

Aravinda was a battler, but I never remembered him doing well against us in Tests.

I just found out that de Silva averages 47 against Aussies with 167 in Brisbane as his best. The source

In his early career he was suspect against spin, and that's why Warne, Kumble, Raju, Chauhan and Waugh kept him getting out. But by 1996-8 he had developed his play so much he played Warne well on spinning surfaces of SL, and manhandled Kumble, when India played in SL. De Silva averages 38.6 in Australia as well. So better get your facts right.

 

[Ikki]

I just found out that de Silva averages 47 against Aussies with 167 in Brisbane as his best. The source

In his early career he was suspect against spin, and that's why Warne, Kumble, Raju, Chauhan and Waugh kept him getting out. But by 1996-8 he had developed his play so much he played Warne well on spinning surfaces of SL, and manhandled Kumble, when India played in SL. De Silva averages 38.6 in Australia as well. So better get your facts right.

Aravinda only averages 36 at an SR of 39 since McGrath made his debut - which would be the relevant period with regards to this discussion. I like my facts just fine.

 

[aussie]

I remember Mark Taylor describing that. Warne bowled one around the wicket and it turned a mile. Sachin put his foot down and it sailed over midwicket. So Taylor came to talk to Warne and asked 'So what do we do now, mate?' Warne said, "We're going to lose now, mate.'

It was on youtube somewhere, I'll try to find it.

Ye remember that battle in Chennai very well saw it all. It was & will go down as one of the great battles in test history, After Warne had gotten Tendy out in the first innings caught a slip after decieving in the air as he went to hit him over the top bowling really well & he was at it again in the second & was beating him regularly & IMO Warne had Tendulkar out LBW pretty early. Then suddenly Tendulkar just unleashed amazing stuff..

 

[Migara]

Aravinda only averages 36 at an SR of 39 since McGrath made his debut - which would be the relevant period with regards to this discussion. I like my facts just fine.

but I never remembered him doing well against us in Tests.

Did you mention a time period?

And McGrath was lucky he was not at Merv Hughes' place in that tour when De Silva was in very good form. But the fact remains that McGrath was not sucessful against De Silva as he was against best batsmen of respective sides.

 

[Ikki]

Did you mention a time period?

And McGrath was lucky he was not at Merv Hughes' place in that tour when De Silva was in very good form. But the fact remains that McGrath was not sucessful against De Silva as he was against best batsmen of respective sides.

Sorry, I should have phrased that better: us meaning when we weren't shyte. I was assuming you were mentioning a time period when you mentioned McGrath.

You said Aravinda played McGrath brilliantly. I don't remember that in Test cricket and his record is quite poor in said period.

Only one person took Aravinda's wicket more than McGrath and that was Warne (who only took it 1 more time than McGrath). When you're not at the crease for long and being picked off by others, it makes it hard to take your wicket I'd imagine. Aravinda also batted mostly in the middle-order so he was just as likely to be taken from the others as McGrath.

 

[stumpski]

Clearly he's not going to play any further part on the tour, so do you think MacGill will stay with the team, or fly straight home?

After being fined his entire match fee for over-sleeping I wouldn't blame him for getting the next plane home tbh. Unless he'd done it before, and been warned, it seems an appalling over-reaction.

 

[Jono]

$15k ain't a laughing matter. Pretty stiff, particularly in your last test.

 

[four_or_six]

$15k ain't a laughing matter. Pretty stiff, particularly in your last test.

Fining him just seems mean!

 

[Son Of Coco]

So the way is open for Warne's return on a wave of public hysteria that even those hard nosed Aussie selectors can't resist - the Ashes may return yet!

Are you backing an Ashes return if Warne plays?