h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
The real ridiculous part is that he reached there by the time he played 50 tests
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Stokes, Ashwin or Shakib?
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h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Ashwin will probably end up with more 5 wicket hauls than anyone else in history except Murali. And none of the others in the same ballpark would have 5 test hundreds.
That is ****ing crazy.
That is ****ing crazy.
Senile Sentry
International Debutant
And none of them freaky slogathons.
Slifer
International Captain
Doesn't matter. 27 five fors and 14 hundreds in 100 tests is still mind boggling no matter what types of peaks or troughs he had.
Daemon
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Yeah, to put this into perspective someone like Laxman only had 17 100s in 134 Tests
Slifer
International Captain
Or Shaun Pollock. Pollock took 16 five fors in like 108 tests and I consider Pollock a great cricketer....
cnerd123
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After his 25th Test he was averaging 40 with the bat (1336 runs with 6 centuries) and 18.5 (139 wickets) with the ball lol.
Both his averages went the wrong way after that.
Senile Sentry
International Debutant
Wow!
Kapil Dev had like 1000 runs at 33 and 100 wickets at 26 after his first 25 tests. And I thought he faded fairly badly towards end of his career.
Slifer
International Captain
Really?? That's fking insane.
Gob
International Coach
And add the whole 81 ashes in to the mix
Arachnodouche
International Captain
Pre and post-weight gain Botham are two separate cricketers for all intents and purposes. You look at pics of him from 1982 onwards where the gut's started to grow out along with the mullet and find there's a corresponding decline in his numbers. Insane stats before '82 though. His bowling action while he was at his leanest was tailormade for swinging English conditions but also something he could bowl fairly briskly with when needed.
Migara
International Coach
The issue with the peaks is that;
1. It is arbitrary
2. It hides the crap
IIRC there was a period where Imran averaged 40+ with the bat and 19 with the ball.
And then Mushtaq Mohammed is there who scored a hundred and took five wickets in the same match against WI. Beat that for a peak. (As I said, length of the peak is arbitrary, even can be one match).
My take: Peaks are way, way, way overrated.
Migara
International Coach
He is great because he hardly had crap performances. He was very consistent with occasional peaks of brilliance.
Adders
Cricketer Of The Year
Strong disagree with all of this.
Absolutely a player should be rated on his entire career, not Cherry picked highlights. I've got no problem with that at all. But when a peak is 50 odd test matches (a full career in past eras) there's nothing wrong at all with looking at those stat's and thinking fmd, that's a seriously good cricketer for a prolonged period of time.
To say a peak can be one test is just ridiculous and no one can be rated on a sample size that meaningless. Id say 30+ tests IMO as that gives enough sample to say a player not only reached those heights but maintained them.
honestbharani
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Yeah depending on the decade they were playing in, 30-50 tests is more than decent enough sample size as I guess it usually covers upto 5 years. Botham is just such an enigma though. Wonder if it was just the fame and the lifestyle that caught up with him.
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Teja.
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Yes, that Botham peak is absurd in terms of centuries and 5-fers. Sobers had an incredible peak as well in his prime bowling years.
In 8 years from 1961 to 1968, Sobers played 33 tests and took 125 wickets @ 27.9 (5 5-fers) and scored 3106 runs @ 63.38 (9 centuries).
Finally, in 9 years from 1982 to 1991, Imran Khan played 51 tests and took 218 wickets @ 19.16 (15 5-fers) and scored 2494 runs @ 53.06 (5 centuries)!
In 8 years from 1961 to 1968, Sobers played 33 tests and took 125 wickets @ 27.9 (5 5-fers) and scored 3106 runs @ 63.38 (9 centuries).
Finally, in 9 years from 1982 to 1991, Imran Khan played 51 tests and took 218 wickets @ 19.16 (15 5-fers) and scored 2494 runs @ 53.06 (5 centuries)!