Steyn/Kallis vs McWarne vs Hobbs/Sutcliffe

[Migara]

I think if I were to do a Mount Rushmore for all of cricket history based on both quality and impact around the world it would be:
Grace Bradman Sobers Tendulkar
There are sadly no bowlers there, if there was one with the quality of McGrath and impact of Warne, I would have put him there, but there isn't one imo.

Imran > Tendulkar even with eyes closed.

 

[Thala_0710]

Imran > Tendulkar even with eyes closed.

I don't think it's it that big, either is a good choice imo.

 

[Johan]

I don't think it's it that big, either is a good choice imo.

I mean, Migara has Imran over Bradman

 

[Migara]

I mean, Migara has Imran over Bradman

I have Sobers above him too.

 

[Johan]

I have Sobers above him too.

Miller too or no

 

[Migara]

Miller too or no

Not enough bowling volume. Low WPM. If it was the secondary discipline it would not have matters much, but this is his primary discipline. If he was going at 4 - 4.5 WPM, he would be right up there with Sobers and Imran, given he was a pretty good batsman.

I would rate Miller just behind Hadlee because of the primary discipline

 

[Coronis]

Imran > Tendulkar even with eyes closed.

I mean I would say a “Mt Rushmore” isn’t necessarily the 4 best players. And Tendulkar has had far more of an influence on the wider game than Imran, no doubt.

He’d also be the only one representing limited over greatness there, which is pretty important.

 

[Thala_0710]

I mean I would say a “Mt Rushmore” isn’t necessarily the 4 best players. And Tendulkar has had far more of an influence on the wider game than Imran, no doubt.

He’d also be the only one representing limited over greatness there, which is pretty important.

Also I feel that the person who holds pretty much every aggregrate record, (50s, 100s, runs scored, total appearances etc.) in all of tests, odis and WCs too, surely is a good shout.
And it's not as if he is only a longevity merchant.

 

[Coronis]

And it's not as if he is only a longevity merchant.

Like Anderson

 

[Thala_0710]

Like Anderson

Exactly (or Broad)

 

[Migara]

I mean I would say a “Mt Rushmore” isn’t necessarily the 4 best players. And Tendulkar has had far more of an influence on the wider game than Imran, no doubt.

He’d also be the only one representing limited over greatness there, which is pretty important.

Then it would be Richards.

Imran has done a many things for the game than Tendulkar. Imran and Viv have lot more swagger and have shown way for generations of players other than being stellar performers. Tendulkar was a bloody good batsman and one of the best part time bowlers, and that's that. Yes billion Indians counted on him. Imran brought together a fractioned team (which Ranatunga soon followed, and Ganguly later and took their teams to glory). He won from hopeless situations. almost brought down probably the best team of the history to its knees, and mentored a group of ATG bowlers. Sorry these are way bigger achievements for the game than being a hope for a billion.

 

[Coronis]

Then it would be Richards.

Imran has done a many things for the game than Tendulkar. Imran and Viv have lot more swagger and have shown way for generations of players other than being stellar performers. Tendulkar was a bloody good batsman and one of the best part time bowlers, and that's that. Yes billion Indians counted on him. Imran brought together a fractioned team (which Ranatunga soon and Ganguly later) and took their teams to glory). He won from hopeless situations. almost brought down probably the best team of the history to its knees, and mentored a group of ATG bowlers. Sorry these are way bigger achievements for the game than being a hope for a billion.

Please, this is pathetic. Tendulkar was far more relevant and impactful on the wider game than either of those two. He was also easily a better player than Viv.

 

[Johan]

Please, this is pathetic. Tendulkar was far more relevant and impactful on the wider game than either of those two. He was also easily a better player than Viv.

Nah.

 

[Migara]

Please, this is pathetic. Tendulkar was far more relevant and impactful on the wider game than either of those two. He was also easily a better player than Viv.

Nah.

ODI batting was defined by two people. Viv and Jaysuriya. Others are pretenders or followers.

 

[Coronis]

Nah.

ODI batting was defined by two people. Viv and Jaysuriya. Others are pretenders or followers.

First off, blatantly untrue. Secondly, its not the only reason he’d be there.

 

[Migara]

First off, blatantly untrue. Secondly, its not the only reason he’d be there.

First Tendulkar is not even in top 5 test cricketers which is heavily populated by ARs and Bradman.
Secondly he did not define ODI batting in an era changing way
Thirdly he was a poor captain

Only hopes of a billion.

 

[Coronis]

First Tendulkar is not even in top 5 test cricketers which is heavily populated by ARs and Bradman.
Secondly he did not define ODI batting in an era changing way
Thirdly he was a poor captain

Only hopes of a billion.

Sometimes its easy to forget how delusional you can be.

 

[kyear2]

Will choose Kallis/Steyn because you get a bowler to make the old ball new and a top tier slip fielder barring the primary disciple.

If purely on primary discipline…then Warne , McGrath.

Think I agree with all of this.

Both ATG's on primary but Kallis is the ultimate wingman, assisting with the bowling load and even more crucially providing near peerless support in the most critical catching position. Both maximizing Steyn's productivity.

 

[subshakerz]

Think I agree with all of this.

Both ATG's on primary but Kallis is the ultimate wingman, assisting with the bowling load and even more crucially providing near peerless support in the most critical catching position. Both maximizing Steyn's productivity.

Honestly thought you would go for McWarne.

 

[subshakerz]

Please, this is pathetic. Tendulkar was far more relevant and impactful on the wider game than either of those two. He was also easily a better player than Viv.

Is this sarcasm?