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Steven Smith vs Dale Steyn

Steven Smith vs Dale Steyn

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Johan

Johan

International Debutant
DrWolverine said:
Who is your number 2?
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1. Donald Bradman
2. Jack Hobbs
3. Sachin Tendulkar
4. IVA Richards
5. Garfield Sobers
6. Len Hutton
7. Steven Smith
8. Brian Lara
9. Wally Hammond
10. Herbert Sutcliffe
11. Sunil Gavaskar
12. George Headley
13. Graeme Pollock
14. Allan Border
15. Steve Waugh
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
DrWolverine said:
@Coronis May I know why you placed Viv behind Kallis, Chappell, Barrington and Sanga?
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Eh probably enough derailment of this thread for now, but the bullet points - I don’t rate a higher SR, I don’t rate peer review, especially from more modern times, I don’t care about his swag. Peak was obviously magnificent but after that not so much.
 
Johan

Johan

International Debutant
centurymaker said:
Wrong. It's an average of 56 without Zim and Bang from Jan 1993 to Jan 2011.

Home avg 54.24
Away avg 57.79

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I was talking about career averages which I said directly literally a little later.
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also, I said 2000s Zimbabwe because their bowling output was minnow level (40+ avg), they won no games nearly and the era was complete flatties, he bashed them well.
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Sachin's average is definitely inflated a bit by this when compared to guys like Sobers/Viv who didn't get any minnows.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
I do find it a bit weird to say Sachin had a peak of 92-11 considering he had that whole slump for multiple years in the middle of that.

It would be like if Kohli suddenly went on a huge tear for 5 years and people started calling his peak from 2015 onwards.
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92 to 2011 is not a peak.

It is his prime batting years when he achieved full maturity and before he physically declined.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
Eh probably enough derailment of this thread for now, but the bullet points - I don’t rate a higher SR, I don’t rate peer review, especially from more modern times, I don’t care about his swag. Peak was obviously magnificent but after that not so much.
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What a party pooper.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
DrWolverine said:
How is Viv the greatest peak ever? Smith had a better peak than him and Sachin had an equally great peak as well.
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The reason Tendulkar doesn't have as great a peak as others is primarily because India was not playing that many tests during his peak years. And the test series that they did play were often 2 matches and sometimes 3 matches in his absolute peak. So Tendulkar didn't get complete opportunity to run home the advantage after scoring 1-2 tons in the short series. If some of those series were 4 matches or 5 matches, he'd have undoubtedly got huge runs and 3 or more tons in few of those series in his absolute peak. India's prime focus back then was on ODI cricket.

For instance, he was killing it in the 1998 BGT series vs Australia but it was just 3 matches.

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Smith on the other hand was lucky that he played a lot more tests during his absolute peak. He was also lucky that his Ashes series and BGT series were always 4-5 tests. Let's reduce his big series to 2-3 tests long like Tendulkar. He will no longer have those ATG series that we talk about! So you guys need to be rational rather than jump to conclusions.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
Sachin's average is definitely inflated a bit by this when compared to guys like Sobers/Viv who didn't get any minnows.
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He still is north of 50 and he averages 40 plus everywhere over 20 years, so it's not like minnows propped his rep.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Johan

Johan

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
He still is north of 50 and he averages 40 plus everywhere over 20 years, so it's not like minnows propped his rep.
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the statistical gap between him and Viv seems to cease on minnow bashing being removed and Sobers seem to get the statistical edge, just found it interesting.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
DrWolverine said:
If longevity is really important, Viv Richards isn’t comparable to Sachin Tendulkar. His record is similar to Ken Barrington(1959-1968).

Viv’s peak was between 1976-1988 and he barely played Test cricket in 1977, 1978 and 1979.

Viv : 92 Tests. 7091 runs. Avg of 55.40. 22 tons.
Ken : 82 Tests. 6806 runs. Avg of 58.6. 20 tons.

Sachin’s peak is unparalleled
1992-2011 :
172 Tests. 14622 runs. Avg of 57.57. 50 tons.
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What do you think Viv was doing from '77 to '79?
 
Johan

Johan

International Debutant
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