Stats: Not so lonely at the top

[Mingster]

Better not use the words "PWC CRICKET RATINGS" around here. Richard Dickinson might snap.

 

[Revelation]

ok i got the stats. Tendulkar falls about 3% lower than Lara, which is very significant.

Players who have contributed at least 15% of their teams' scores (excluding extras) during their Test careers. This list does not take into account the ongoing 3rd Test between England and New Zealand at Trent Bridge.

Qualification: at least 2000 runs in the Test career.

RUNS


% I T PLAYER


25.33 6996 27624 DG Bradman (Aus)


22.48 2190 9743 GA Headley (WI)


20.26 9830 48518 BC Lara (WI)


19.02 6971 36653 L Hutton (Eng)


18.75 5410 28849 JB Hobbs (Eng)


18.62 2960 15901 AD Nourse (SAf)


18.1 4794 26472 A Flower (Zim)


18.02 6855 38051 R Dravid (Ind)


18.05 3471 19231 B Mitchell (SAf)


17.99 4455 24758 EdeC Weekes (WI)


17.99 2936 16322 HW Taylor (SAf)


17.86 4555 25502 H Sutcliffe (Eng)


17.83 2727 15291 B Sutcliffe (NZ)


17.73 10122 57078 SM Gavaskar (Ind)


17.57 7249 41265 WR Hammond (Eng)


17.51 9470 54079 SR Tendulkar (Ind)


17.49 2991 17098 GM Turner (NZ)


17.24 6806 39485 KF Barrington (Eng)


17.17 2192 12770 VS Hazare (Ind)


17.00 2256 13269 RG Pollock (SAf)


16.97 2440 14379 DG McGlew (SAf)


16.88 3915 23199 Hanif Mohammed (Pak)


16.82 8900 52911 GA Gooch (Eng)


16.79 2922 17407 AH Jones (NZ)


16.76 4537 27077 PBH May (Eng)


16.74 6149 36727 RN Harvey (Aus)


16.72 8832 52825 Javed Miandad (Pak)


16.70 4771 28566 ML Hayden (Aus)


16.39 8114 49513 G Boycott (Eng)


16.29 7110 43643 GS Chappell (Aus)


16.29 5444 33421 MD Crowe (NZ)


16.21 5807 35814 DCS Compton (Eng)


16.17 8032 49666 GStA Sobers (WI)


16.08 3428 21322 JR Reid (NZ)


16.07 3798 23631 CL Walcott (WI)


16.04 3376 21042 MP Vaughan (Eng)


16.03 4052 25272 Saeed Anwar (Pak)


15.9 6561 40067 PA de Silva (SL)


15.86 6899 43501 Inzamam-ul-Haq (Pak)


15.73 5949 37820 RB Richardson (WI)


15.71 4869 30986 RB Simpson (Aus)


15.67 8231 52522 DI Gower (Eng)


15.52 3612 23269 DL Amiss (Eng)


15.51 2061 13285 RM Cowper (Aus)


15.51 2516 16222 GD Barlow (SAf)


15.44 5334 34549 JG Wright (NZ)


15.44 2523 16345 SM Nurse (WI)


15.4 3860 25093 FMM Worrell (WI)


15.28 3738 24460 Yousuf Youhana (Pak)


15.23 8540 56071 IVA Richards (WI)


15.16 4199 27696 DPM Jayawardene (SL)


15.13 7728 51086 MA Atherton (Eng)


15.08 7558 50115 CG Greenidge (WI)


15.07 4502 29879 ER Dexter (Eng)

Among Current Players, even Dravid beats Tendulkar:

RUNS


% I T PLAYER


20.26 9830 48518 BC Lara (WI)


18.02 6855 38051 R Dravid (Ind)


17.51 9470 54079 SR Tendulkar (Ind)


16.70 4771 28566 ML Hayden (Aus)


16.04 3376 21042 MP Vaughan (Eng)


15.86 6899 43501 Inzamam-ul-Haq (Pak)


15.28 3738 24460 Yousuf Youhana (Pak)


15.16 4199 27696 DPM Jayawardene (SL)


14.78 5914 40000 GP Thorpe (Eng)


14.52 6019 41441 RT Ponting (Aus)


14.51 3134 21597 RR Sarwan (WI)


14.50 4755 32791 S Chanderpaul (WI)


14.19 3584 25252 VVS Laxman (Ind)


13.92 5173 37161 SP Fleming (NZ)


13.59 5278 38846 JL Langer (Aus)

 

[Revelation]

1. Players who have top-scored for their sides most times in a COMPLETED Test innings:





44 BC Lara (WI)


39 SM Gavaskar (Ind)


37 AR Border (Aus)


35 GA Gooch (Eng); SR Waugh (Aus)


34 DI Gower (Eng)


33 IVA Richards (WI)


31 MA Atherton & AJ Stewart (Eng); SR Tendulkar (Ind)


30 Inzamam-ul-Haq (Pak)


27 DL Haynes (WI)


26 A Flower (Zim)


25 IT Botham, L Hutton (Eng) & N Hussain (Eng); Javed Miandad (Pak);


PA de Silva (SL)


24 KF Barrington, MC Cowdrey & PBH May (Eng)


23 G Boycott & WR Hammond (Eng); RN Harvey (Aus)


22 JB Hobbs (Eng); MD Crowe (NZ); A Ranatunga (SL)


21 DG Bradman (Aus); CG Greenidge & RB Richardson (WI);


JG Wright (NZ); DB Vengsarkar (Ind)


20 DC Boon & IM Chappell (Aus); CH Lloyd & GStA Sobers (WI)





Most for other countries:


19 Habibul Bashar (BD)


16 B Mitchell & HW Taylor (SAf)





2. Highest percentage of the times a player top-scored for their side in a COMPLETED Test innings (qualification: top-scoring at least 10


times):





%


37.50 12/32 GA Headley (WI)


34.43 21/61 DG Bradman (Aus)


33.33 19/57 Habibul Bashar (BD)


32.43 12/37 RM Cowper (Aus)


30.38 24/79 PBH May (Eng)


28.21 11/39 EAB Rowan (SAf)


27.85 44/158 BC Lara (WI)


27.78 25/90 L Hutton (Eng)


27.59 15/58 B Mitchell (SAf)


27.37 26/95 A Flower (Zim)


27.08 39/144 SM Gavaskar (Ind)


26.82 22/82 JB Hobbs (Eng)


26.79 15/56 H Sutcliffe (Eng)


26.67 24/90 KF Barrington (Eng)


26.32 15/57 GM Turner (NZ)


25.56 23/90 WR Hammond (Eng)


25.45 14/55 CL Walcott (WI)


25.40 16/63 HW Taylor (SAf)


25.00 16/65 EdeC Weekes (WI)





3. Players top-scoring most times in a Test innings (COMPLETE OR INCOMPLETE) for their side:





60 SM Gavaskar (Ind)


52 BC Lara (WI)


50 GA Gooch (Eng)


48 AR Border (Aus)


46 DL Haynes (WI); SR Tendulkar (Ind)


45 G Boycott, DI Gower & AJ Stewart (Eng)


44 SR Waugh (Aus)


42 CG Greenidge (WI)


41 IVA Richards (WI)


40 MA Atherton, WR Hammond & L Hutton (Eng)





Most for other countries:


34 Javed Miandad (Pak); PA de Silva (SL)


33 JG Wright (NZ)


30 G Kirsten (SAf)


29 A Flower (Zim)


20 Habibul Bashar (BD)

 

[delkap]

To everything posted by Revelation..

So basicall your argument fo Lara being better than Tendulkar is:

1. He has scored more % of team runs. So Tendulkar must be penalised for being in a better batting team. Considering 3 Indians appear in list above (Dravid, Laxman), ofcourse he would contribute less... Now if WI don't score as much as India,Lara would obviously rate higher, which is shown by the table. So I don't think this argument backes that theory well...

2. Lara has top-scored most times. Same argument as above. India has a one hell of a batting, and everyone contribtes now. Law of averages has to catch up. I would be interested if you can compare Tendulkar's contribution in pre-1999 era. Before Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman became big and contributed like now. At that time India was a weak team, carried on shoulders of Sachin..

3.Lara has more pressure to perform !! You gotta be kidding on this one. Do you know the amount of pressure Sachin carries on his shoulders ? 1 billion people expecting a century everytime he walks in. Not to say every bowler planning how to get him out. Teams focussing solely on him (until few years ago). And the bowling u speak of that India has, they hv got it in last 2-3 years with exception of Kumble. Whereas WI had the likes of Walsh, Ambrose, Bishop, Benjamin in 1990's. India had only Kumble, and somewhat Srinath who cant be compared to WI bowlers at the same time.

And all this is on top of the fact that Sachin has more test 100's and a better test average by a distance !!

4. As for the PWC rating showing Lara better. They were mainly due to a couple of good knock like 375, 153, 400 etc... Lara has admittedly come up with some brilliant knocks, but he has lacked Sachin's consistency (with exception of 2003/04)

I don't think either one of ur argument was convincing enough, to prove Lara is better than Sachin.

 

[Adamc]

Let me add to Sudeep's original post... Please, no Lara vs. Tendulkar here.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

To everything posted by Revelation..

So basicall your argument fo Lara being better than Tendulkar is:

1. He has scored more % of team runs. So Tendulkar must be penalised for being in a better batting team. Considering 3 Indians appear in list above (Dravid, Laxman), ofcourse he would contribute less... Now if WI don't score as much as India,Lara would obviously rate higher, which is shown by the table. So I don't think this argument backes that theory well...

Revelation's argument is that Lara = WI batting success. With that in mind, he does have massive pressure to perform and has done it well. To better argue that Lara > Tendulkar (which I don't necessarily agree with) one could mention that Lara reached 9,000 Test runs 2 innings faster than Tendulkar and has been more prolific against Australia.

2. Lara has top-scored most times. Same argument as above. India has a one hell of a batting, and everyone contribtes now. Law of averages has to catch up. I would be interested if you can compare Tendulkar's contribution in pre-1999 era. Before Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman became big and contributed like now. At that time India was a weak team, carried on shoulders of Sachin..

But Lara had a weak team then too and still does have a weak team.

3.Lara has more pressure to perform !! You gotta be kidding on this one. Do you know the amount of pressure Sachin carries on his shoulders ? 1 billion people expecting a century everytime he walks in. Not to say every bowler planning how to get him out. Teams focussing solely on him (until few years ago). And the bowling u speak of that India has, they hv got it in last 2-3 years with exception of Kumble. Whereas WI had the likes of Walsh, Ambrose, Bishop, Benjamin in 1990's. India had only Kumble, and somewhat Srinath who cant be compared to WI bowlers at the same time.

The people of the West Indies expect a lot from Lara and he expects even more from himself. Knowling that scoring a duck will likely result in a low West Indian score and ultimate defeat is huge pressure. The fact is that if Tendulkar fails, it's far more likely that Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag and Ganguly will back him up than Sarwan, Gayle and Chanderpaul doing the same (at the same scale) should Lara fail.

4. As for the PWC rating showing Lara better. They were mainly due to a couple of good knock like 375, 153, 400 etc... Lara has admittedly come up with some brilliant knocks, but he has lacked Sachin's consistency (with exception of 2003/04)

I don't think either one of ur argument was convincing enough, to prove Lara is better than Sachin.

In terms of sheer ability to turn a match singlehandedly, Lara would have to be higher though.