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South Africa team selection

Marius

Marius

International Debutant
Take with the requisite amount of salt but a rumour on the circuit is that Elgar doesn't dig Rickelton and he pushed for Klaasen to get called up.

EDIT: To clarify he is injured but it's not super serious and he could have toured Aus if necessary.
 
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Everton Seymour

U19 Debutant
Marius said:
Take with the requisite amount of salt but a rumour on the circuit is that Elgar doesn't dig Rickelton and he pushed for Klaasen to get called up.

EDIT: To clarify he is injured but it's not super serious and he could have toured Aus if necessary.
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Speaking about Elgar he averages only 29.70 away from home in 35 Tests :

Test batting averages in Countries Elgar has played in :

South Africa : 47.15
Australia : 23.00
England : 30.62
India : 30.75
New Zealand : 32.00
Pakistan : 29.75
Sri Lanka : 22.25
UAE : 23.00
Zimbabwe : 41.00
West Indies : 29.00

Even Bavuma who gets picked on all the time, averages higher than Elgar away from home , this is our Test captain and supposedly best batsmen ..His away stats are absolutely mediocre can't possibly inspire confidence to the inexperienced players coming in ..
 
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Everton Seymour

U19 Debutant
Weird and concerning, the media never seem to bring it up either ..It's a huge discrepancy and one of the reasons why South Africa can't win test series away from home like they used to . Lack of big runs from the senior batsmen
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

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Elgar seemed to turn a corner 2017/18... but subsequently just never carried on going. His place in the team is poorly because of 'experience' and his captaincy. I said in an early post I think this is his last shot else he needs to be dropped and Maharaj made captain.
 
Nintendo

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
StephenZA said:
Elgar seemed to turn a corner 2017/18... but subsequently just never carried on going. His place in the team is poorly because of 'experience' and his captaincy. I said in an early post I think this is his last shot else he needs to be dropped and Maharaj made captain.
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Elgar's home - away split is pretty poor, but this seems way too far. He's averaged 38 opening the batting in some of the most hostile conditions for batting that we've ever seen (atleast between 2015 and 2020). Most teams would kill for an opener of that quality, and it's not like there's a ton of gun domestic openers running around who could fill his spot.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Nintendo said:
Elgar's home - away split is pretty poor, but this seems way too far. He's averaged 38 opening the batting in some of the most hostile conditions for batting that we've ever seen (atleast between 2015 and 2020). Most teams would kill for an opener of that quality, and it's not like there's a ton of gun domestic openers running around who could fill his spot.
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Yeah I wouldn't drop Elgar if he made ten ducks in a row, and tbh I'd consider him for a World XI right now (Usman plus who? Warner? Latham? Rohit? Karunaratne? Conway out of position? Elgar is in the argument with these guys IMO) even despite his crappy away record.

Stephen is over-compensating for the problems he sees with SA's selection policy to the point where he's as pro-fetus as the NSW selectors (shoutout to @Burgey).
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

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Nintendo said:
Elgar's home - away split is pretty poor, but this seems way too far. He's averaged 38 opening the batting in some of the most hostile conditions for batting that we've ever seen (atleast between 2015 and 2020). Most teams would kill for an opener of that quality, and it's not like there's a ton of gun domestic openers running around who could fill his spot.
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There is actually a number of good domestic players that could open and have opened. He is likely to retire soon anyway.
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Prince EWS said:
Stephen is over-compensating for the problems he sees with SA's selection policy to the point where he's as pro-fetus as the NSW selectors (shoutout to @Burgey).
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Not really I just want to start selecting the most talented and train them up, because if we keep delaying while trying to fix the FC structures we just repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Not all of that talent will work out, but it has a better chance of getting us back to the top than picking the consistent journeyman while the talent languishes without support at FC level.
 
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Everton Seymour

U19 Debutant
Nintendo said:
Elgar's home - away split is pretty poor, but this seems way too far. He's averaged 38 opening the batting in some of the most hostile conditions for batting that we've ever seen (atleast between 2015 and 2020). Most teams would kill for an opener of that quality, and it's not like there's a ton of gun domestic openers running around who could fill his spot.
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I disagree, guys like Joshua Richards, Raynard Van Tonder heck even Pieter Malan (Didn't get a fair shot at Test cricket Imo) have very respectable records opening the batting just haven't been given the opportunity...Elgar is 35 so a replacement will come sooner rather than later .
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
StephenZA said:
Not really I just want to start selecting the most talented and train them up, because if we keep delaying while trying to fix the FC structures we just repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Not all of that talent will work out, but it has a better chance of getting us back to the top than picking the consistent journeyman while the talent languishes without support at FC level.
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Yeah this is exactly what the NSW selectors would say.
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Prince EWS said:
Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
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Only if our batting shows some sort of ability and resilience... and right now we about to be thumped 3-0 in Aus. But no worries we not gonna be playing many test for the next 4 years anyway.
 
Bahseph

Bahseph

International Debutant
Marius said:
Verreynne on 201* at the moment. Coincidentally also the sequence of his first three scores in Aus - 2, 0, 1
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I don't think that Verreynne will replicate this sort of a hundred in Australia, but who would we rather have as wicketkeeper at the moment? He does have a Test hundred and he is on the younger side.
 
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