South Africa team selection

[Dendarii]

It's not like Parnell can't put in good performances, it's just a question of whether he can do it consistently. If he can then great, but I've been disappointed by him enough times in the past, and I'll concede that maybe I'm being a little harsh on him.

 

[Socerer 01]

Jansen's played one T20I. His selection would be a joke.

I'm not a fan of Parnell, but since his return he's taken his wickets at an average of 17 and has an economy of 7.65. So I can't blame them for sticking with him.

I would rather have the young left arm quick who can bowl up to 150 rather than Parnell who has disappointed multiple times in the past when the spotlight has been on him. Doubt he is going to do as much versus proper quality in a high profile tournament with either bat or ball. There is a reason why Jansen was selected in the IPL and Parnell was not

 

[StephenZA]

I would rather have the young left arm quick who can bowl up to 150 rather than Parnell who has disappointed multiple times in the past when the spotlight has been on him. Doubt he is going to do as much versus proper quality in a high profile tournament with either bat or ball. There is a reason why Jansen was selected in the IPL and Parnell was not

Jansen gets into 140s not anywhere near 150, his personal goal was to get to 145 km/h one day... maybe when he puts some muscle on!

My biggest issue with Parnell was at FC level he performs, and against lesser batsmen generally... but against a good quality international batsmen, particularly under pressure, he tended to get carted. And everything I`ve seen of him in the hundred or the few T20s I have watched has not change my opinion much. We will see how he goes. I would probably prefer him to Pretorius... shot in the left foot or shot in the right, tough decisions.

 

[Dendarii]

There is a reason why Jansen was selected in the IPL and Parnell was not

Jansen got into the IPL on potential, which he hasn't to realised so far. It's hardly a ridiculous selection for South Africa to go for someone who's been performing of late rather than someone who's yet to prove himself in the format.

 

[GRAB]

IPL selections are always based on hype and marketing factors...

 

[Socerer 01]

Jansen got into the IPL on potential, which he hasn't to realised so far. It's hardly a ridiculous selection for South Africa to go for someone who's been performing of late rather than someone who's yet to prove himself in the format.

fair point, can see why Parnell was picked. Still think he’s going to fall short against quality sides but he’s more viable than Andile at least.

is Linde completely out of the picture now? A shame if he is as I liked how he played and deserved more games

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I rate Marco Jansen but do not disagree with this at all. Saffer Reidy really has done very little in T20 cricket at this point of his career, not many games granted but not much in the way of performance in them.

Definitely has the skillset to crack T20 cricket, but the fact is he hasn't done so yet

 

[Bahseph]

It's like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic with this batting isn't it? the Australian tour wil he tough,but I guess the hope is that the batsmen cope better with pace and bounce than they do with swing and seam. With all the criticism we have of Bavuma,he never looks out of his depth while batting. So atleast he will add some grit.

Essentially every batting position is up for grabs except Elgar's now. I just don't see who will come in and make the team stronger.

 

[StephenZA]

It's like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic with this batting isn't it? the Australian tour wil he tough,but I guess the hope is that the batsmen cope better with pace and bounce than they do with swing and seam. With all the criticism we have of Bavuma,he never looks out of his depth while batting. So atleast he will add some grit.

Essentially every batting position is up for grabs except Elgar's now. I just don't see who will come in and make the team stronger.

Agreed. But this is fundamentally the problem I have been speaking about for 5 years. This was no longer a team that you could slowly bring in jobbing cricketers to salve the problem. You can bring in an in form batsmen/opener for an injured player when your team is well built and 4 or 5 of your top 7 are solid performers. What we needed was a complete rebuild 5 years ago, currently we have the most inexperienced line-up ever but still playing guys in their late 20 early 30s. We need to pick from the most talented under 25 group (maybe 27) and just let them play series together start gaining experience and building a team for 5 or 6 years time.

Two problems with this, firstly this is not in any of the current management (and captains) advantage because they will not be there in 5/6 years time. Secondly the current administration is clearly not interested in the test team. So the best we can hope for right now is that the domestic structure solidifies enough and we get enough talent coming through to produce a quality test team eventually. And my hope is very very low on that...

 

[StephenZA]

What I hoped from this series was not to win, but that one or two of the batsmen would stand up and give us hope... but nothing, Vey difficult for them but still...

 

[honestbharani]

You guys should just invest in certain players, I think. I dunno who your #2 opener is, but I will keep KP Jr. at 3. Markram at 4. And see if others step for 5 and 6. I like what I see of Mulder and I think Australia might suit his batting.

 

[StephenZA]

You guys should just invest in certain players, I think. I dunno who your #2 opener is, but I will keep KP Jr. at 3. Markram at 4. And see if others step for 5 and 6. I like what I see of Mulder and I think Australia might suit his batting.

Markram has been given enough opportunity for now.. he will stay within the LO squads anyway and can try him out again later.

Can stick with Rickleton, Verreynne, Mulder... depending on, SA could try improve Rickeltons keeping, make it a shoot out for those two for the keeping spot. I would try out J. Malan, for the opening spot and still would want to give Breetzke opportunity. van Tonder needs to be brought in. Bavuma will come back. Its gonna be awhile before we have a settled batting line-up particularly when we start having so few test match's.

 

[Dendarii]

So the best we can hope for right now is that the domestic structure solidifies enough and we get enough talent coming through to produce a quality test team eventually. And my hope is very very low on that...

There was an article on by Firdose Moonda on Cricinfo recently where she actually made some valid points. In the article she listed players who've average over 50 in the past few seasons, and assuming that the numbers are correct then we've actually tried most of them. So while there are issues with some decisions the selectors have made, it's not always their fault if they're picking the players who are performing domestically and those guys are failing to take that form into the test arena.

 

[StephenZA]

There was an article on by Firdose Moonda on Cricinfo recently where she actually made some valid points. In the article she listed players who've average over 50 in the past few seasons, and assuming that the numbers are correct then we've actually tried most of them. So while there are issues with some decisions the selectors have made, it's not always their fault if they're picking the players who are performing domestically and those guys are failing to take that form into the test arena.

We have been picking the in form players... that does not mean that they are capable of Test cricket on a long term basis. I keep saying its not about the now, if you have a settled team and you need a single bat to fill a spot, fine you pick the form player. But that is not where SA team is at, we need a rebuild (we needed to start rebuilding 5 years ago!). You pick on talent and potential. Not all of it will work (see Markram) but letting your best talent sit in a poor domestic structure while picking jobbing cricketers does not grow the test team.

 

[Stefan9]

It's like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic with this batting isn't it? the Australian tour wil he tough,but I guess the hope is that the batsmen cope better with pace and bounce than they do with swing and seam. With all the criticism we have of Bavuma,he never looks out of his depth while batting. So atleast he will add some grit.

Essentially every batting position is up for grabs except Elgar's now. I just don't see who will come in and make the team stronger.

I don't think elgar should be safe either. 1 x 100 in 2 years pretty poor for your leading bat especially when he claimed when taking captaincy that need test 100's. He has hardly been leading from the front in that regard.

 

[Heboric]

With all the criticism we have of Bavuma,he never looks out of his depth while batting. So atleast he will add some grit.

We will see, i thought that of not annoying KP after the India series, but he turned out just as flaky as the rest

 

[Dendarii]

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[StephenZA]

Not surprising in any way... be interesting to see when Elgar retires. I think it may be very very soon. Particularly considering he is not part of the LO setup.

 

[Stefan9]

Not surprising in any way... be interesting to see when Elgar retires. I think it may be very very soon. Particularly considering he is not part of the LO setup.

I would guess end of this test championship.

 

[StephenZA]

I would guess end of this test championship.

So after the Aus series when we lose 3-0...