South Africa & Quotas

[Goughy]

Is Langeveldt one of these people who is 'coloured'?

Yes

 

[PhoenixFire]

Overall, I think that the Quota system has a good idea behind it, but is just very poorly executed. A much better idea would be to encourage black children in townships and slums to get invloved with cricket, rather than giving token caps to black players who don't deserve them, which is patronising and humiliating to many black South Africans.

 

[TT Boy]

Overall, I think that the Quota system has a good idea behind it, but is just very poorly executed. A much better idea would be to encourage black children in townships and slums to get invloved with cricket, rather than giving token caps to black players who don't deserve them, which is patronising and humiliating to many black South Africans.

It isn't considering the caps are not handed out to Black Africans (Thami Tsolekile aside), these cricketers are 'coloured' usually Cape who have a richer and far more prestigious history in South African cricket and genuine love for the game. Blacks aside from Makhaya Ntini don't, soccer is their sport of choice. It isn't patronising handing a cap to a Charl Langeveldt, handing one to Thami Tsolekile, when you have five or more better wicket keeping batsman in the game is.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Well, exact skin-shade aside, it is patronising and humiliating to people, if they get awarded caps that everyone knows they don't deserve.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Well, exact skin-shade aside, it is patronising and humiliating to people, if they get awarded caps that everyone knows they don't deserve.

Of course the corollary of that is that even if a non-white actually does deserve a go on merit there's always the ugly smell that he's a "quota pick" lurking around.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Of course the corollary of that is that even if a non-white actually does deserve a go on merit there's always the ugly smell that he's a "quota pick" lurking around.

Exactly. Would Prince have got the 1st XI call up if he was white? He fully deserves his place now, but who knows?

 

[Richard]

A better example would be that test where Sarafaz (the original) took 9 wickets against Australia with Imran bowling at the other end.

And of course it's impossible that even someone as good as Imran bowled poorly?

 

[Richard]

Even now, if Nel is one of the best quicks available to SA, then standards really can't be that high.

Nel has several times appeared on the threshold of breaking into the World's top bowling echleon and did something few if any (his team-mate Pollock may be one) have managed in the last 6 years, and kept Australia's top-order quiet over the course of an entire, full (6-match) series. He'd have got them out pretty often, too, but for dropped catches which were even worse than England 6 months previously.

 

[Richard]

Exactly. Would Prince have got the 1st XI call up if he was white? He fully deserves his place now, but who knows?

Judging by the Morne van Wyk situation in ODIs, it's perfectly possible that he wouldn't have done, but equally - Boeta Dippenaar got how many opportunities in Tests which many would kill for?

 

[Dasa]

Some form of quotas are necessary IMO....you can't separate sport and politics, especially somewhere like South Africa with their (still recent) history.

 

[Richard]

You can't separate anything from politics, that's the very nature of the stuff, everything has the potential to be influenced by and influence it.

Sport, naturally, is more enjoyable without political interjecture, but equally - surely most recognise that there are more important things than cricket?

 

[Dasa]

You can't separate anything from politics, that's the very nature of the stuff, everything has the potential to be influenced by and influence it.

Sport, naturally, is more enjoyable without political interjecture, but equally - surely most recognise that there are more important things than cricket?

You'd hope so.

 

[silentstriker]

surely most recognise that there are more important things than cricket?

I must disagree with this statement.

 

[Dick Rockett]

surely most recognise that there are more important things than cricket?

What, like patronising someone by giving them a role they don't merit, just to create a feelgood impression of equality where none really exists?

 

[Richard]

Eh?

 

[Richard]

You can't separate anything from politics, that's the very nature of the stuff, everything has the potential to be influenced by and influence it.

Sport, naturally, is more enjoyable without political interjecture, but equally - surely most recognise that there are more important things than cricket?

You'd hope so.

Evidently not...

 

[social]

What, like patronising someone by giving them a role they don't merit, just to create a feelgood impression of equality where none really exists?

Exactly.

Should a quota system really exist (and others here with far greater knowledge of the system in SA than I believe it does) then not too much has changed (at least on the sporting front)

 

[adharcric]

A quota system is clearly in action in South Africa but I think it's impact is being exaggerated in here.

 

[Richard]

And Goughy thinks it's impact is being dumbed-down...

 

[Goughy]

A quota system is clearly in action in South Africa but I think it's impact is being exaggerated in here.

EDIT- Already debated