Sobers vs Tendulkar

[kyear2]

Increase the value of slips.


So you evidence is that you cant bother to quantify it and to trust your judgement that an extra catch from the ace slipper every third of fourth game means the same as a secondary discipline.

It's acknowledge the value of the slips.

And what's your agenda.

You've made it quite clear.

Imran

Sachin

Current India is over rated.

Accordingly you've literally said that it's your goal to bring down Ambrose a peg (rival for Imran as a bowler), prove that Kallis was over rated (rival for Imran as an all rounder) and take every opportunity possible to prove that Lara (contemporary and rival of Sachin) wasn't as good as Sachin because he wasn't as great against pace, when @Sliferxxxx has consistently showed you that Sachin wasn't significantly better either.

And let's be honest why this bothers you so very much and why you're so ****ing hung up on this secondary skills semantics. And that's because you think that if you allow it to slide, that I or someone else would use it as an advantage for Kallis. That's why you hate me to even bring up the 200 catches, but the reality is that they do represent 200 wickets.
And no Imran, is actually better because quite simply his bowling is a bit better than Kallis's batting period. But on the remainder, yeah, Kallis kicks his ass.

If you've even pretended to watch cricket, follow cricket, watch YouTube videos of cricket, read anything about the game you would know how important the cordon is.

They've been too many guys who have either made the team because of their catching (Simpson), or initially kept their place in it (Sobers), or long term kept it (Hooper).

If you need to see a spread sheet to see that, then you're no better than someone saying Barring or Boycott was better than Richards.

Anyone's who's watched (live or after) the careers of Lillee, Hadlee, Ambrose, Steyn, the Quartet, McGrath, Marshall, Warne and can't see the relevance shouldn't be in the forum. Waugh, Coney, Taylor, Lloyd, Hooper., Richardson...

You may need spread sheets, and as I said, you guys Kimber gave a breakdown in one of his videos and came up with a number, but for me, catches win matches, I'm sure Khawaja and Jaiswal would agree. Just to go a little further, what if Smith had dropped Pant and he went on to score a 100? What then?

And yes, when I came back I said this was an objective, but at least it's a discussion about the game and not a devotion to two players.

 

[kyear2]

Increase the value of slips.


So you evidence is that you cant bother to quantify it and to trust your judgement that an extra catch from the ace slipper every third of fourth game means the same as a secondary discipline.

Oh, and I've asked you this already.

Simple question.

If lower order batting is more important than a great cordon. Would Australia with Warne, Gillespie and McGrath have given up that cordon if it meant having a stronger lower order.

Would the 80's west indies have given up theirs as a trade off for Imran or Wasim level bat back there instead if Marshall and Holding.

Would SA have given up their's? Smith, Kallis, De Villiers?

I can keep going if you wish.

Again, simple question.

 

[Coronis]

It was to see what the response would be. It was left purposely vague as not to push it in any direction.

No, you’re just deliberately pushing your slips agenda, trying to slightly veil it behind two ATG bats without specifically making the topic about slips. And for some it clearly worked, e.g shortpitched being confused as to why the thread is literally titled Sobers vs Tendulkar and then you literally saying its not about Sobers vs Tendulkar.

And what's your purpose, besides snide comments, and your agenda besides personal grievances.

If calling you out when you bullshit too much = snide comments then that’s a great purpose in this thread. I don’t have any personal grievances with you. Never have.

 

[subshakerz]

It's acknowledge the value of the slips.

Thanks for admitting your agenda after denying it

And what's your agenda.

You've made it quite clear.

Imran

Sachin

Current India is over rated.

Accordingly you've literally said that it's your goal to bring down Ambrose a peg (rival for Imran as a bowler), prove that Kallis was over rated (rival for Imran as an all rounder) and take every opportunity possible to prove that Lara (contemporary and rival of Sachin) wasn't as good as Sachin because he wasn't as great against pace, when @Sliferxxxx has consistently showed you that Sachin wasn't significantly better either.

Don't mind if you call it agendas or just my strong opinions.

And let's be honest why this bothers you so very much and why you're so ****ing hung up on this secondary skills semantics. And that's because you think that if you allow it to slide, that I or someone else would use it as an advantage for Kallis. That's why you hate me to even bring up the 200 catches, but the reality is that they do represent 200 wickets.
And no Imran, is actually better because quite simply his bowling is a bit better than Kallis's batting period. But on the remainder, yeah, Kallis kicks his ass.

Actually it's transparently obvious you bring these arguments just to downplay Imran.

What annoys me is that you don't bring evidence to back it up aside from trust your gut, a gun slipper is really an AR.

If you've even pretended to watch cricket, follow cricket, watch YouTube videos of cricket, read anything about the game you would know how important the cordon is.

They've been too many guys who have either made the team because of their catching (Simpson), or initially kept their place in it (Sobers), or long term kept it (Hooper).

If you need to see a spread sheet to see that, then you're no better than someone saying Barring or Boycott was better than Richards.

Anyone's who's watched (live or after) the careers of Lillee, Hadlee, Ambrose, Steyn, the Quartet, McGrath, Marshall, Warne and can't see the relevance shouldn't be in the forum. Waugh, Coney, Taylor, Lloyd, Hooper., Richardson...

You may need spread sheets, and as I said, you guys Kimber gave a breakdown in one of his videos and came up with a number, but for me, catches win matches, I'm sure Khawaja and Jaiswal would agree. Just to go a little further, what if Smith had dropped Pant and he went on to score a 100? What then?

And yes, when I came back I said this was an objective, but at least it's a discussion about the game and not a devotion to two players.

My opinion is pretty standard CW opinion. Yes their slip skills are important to a tertiary level.

You are breaking with the norm that slippers are secondary skills level. But don't want to prove it.

 

[subshakerz]

Oh, and I've asked you this already.

Simple question.

If lower order batting is more important than a great cordon. Would Australia with Warne, Gillespie and McGrath have given up that cordon if it meant having a stronger lower order.

Would the 80's west indies have given up theirs as a trade off for Imran or Wasim level bat back there instead if Marshall and Holding.

Would SA have given up their's? Smith, Kallis, De Villiers?

I can keep going if you wish.

Again, simple question.

Ive already answered this question. No, Aus wouldn't trade an entire slip cordon for a lower order bat because they are an ATG batting unit already.

However, would they trade Ponting for Hussey if they needed a better slipper? No.

Can you cite any circumstance of a great batter replaced by a worse one for his slip skills? It never happened. What's the point of useless hypotheticals.

Simple question: would you consider Kallis an AR if he never took a wicket?

 

[OverratedSanity]

No, you’re just deliberately pushing your slips agenda, trying to slightly veil it behind two ATG bats without specifically making the topic about slips. And for some it clearly worked, e.g shortpitched being confused as to why the thread is literally titled Sobers vs Tendulkar and then you literally saying its not about Sobers vs Tendulkar.



If calling you out when you bullshit too much = snide comments then that’s a great purpose in this thread. I don’t have any personal grievances with you. Never have.

The OP also has this pretty absurd hypothetical scenario that Sobers made all his runs at 3/4 and his average remains the same. Presumably because he knew people like me would pick Sachin otherwise because I value lower order runs less. Probably the most convoluted comparison thread yet.

 

[subshakerz]

The OP also has this pretty absurd hypothetical scenario that Sobers made all his runs at 3/4 and his average remains the same. Presumably because he knew people like me would pick Sachin otherwise because I value lower order runs less. Probably the most convoluted comparison thread yet.

Let's not forget he accuses those of voting for Sachin as having SC bias. How desperate.

No agenda, wanting to take a temperature check and genuinely confused by the results. But probably less so only because there's obviously a heavy cultural slant in this regard.