Sobers - A Batting Allrounder?!

[marc71178]

At his peak he was still taking slightly less than 4 wickets per test.

In no single year has Kallis even averaged 4 wickets per Test, let alone over an extended period.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Garry Sobers is the only genuine All-Rounder to ever play Test Cricket.
That is if you consider a genuine All-Rounder to be someone who would make the side purely on their batting or purely on their bowling.

 

[Pratters]

I don't think it is necessary - it's clear who the better bowler was.

How much of Sobers as a bowler have you seen?

And I do not understand why you are so anti-Kallis for him as a bowler.

Kallis has had periods in his international career where he has performed well as a bowled and periods where he hasnt. The last two years or so have definitely not gone his way.

But analysing Kallis as a bowler like Sobers - breaking it into periods can give us light into how much Kallis' career has varied as a test bowler.

Stats do not tell the full story so despite stats people can have views regarding who the better bowler was - a view of people can be asked and its not unnecessary CERTAINLY.

 

[marc71178]

Kallis has had periods in his international career where he has performed well as a bowled and periods where he hasnt. The last two years or so have definitely not gone his way.

It's not just "not going his way"

 

[Pratters]

It's not just "not going his way"

Yes. Which is why analysing various periods like that of Sobers could show us more of a specific player.

C C has done an analysis and some thing which explains stuff more than you just saying CLEARLY Sobers>Kallis as a bowler.

 

[Redsok]

Garry Sobers is the only genuine All-Rounder to ever play Test Cricket.
That is if you consider a genuine All-Rounder to be someone who would make the side purely on their batting or purely on their bowling.

That's a **** way to describe "genuine all rounder".. because that's literally not possible. Maybe in that old era, where there was a severe lack of specialist talent. So Sobers had to bowl way too much.

Sobers would have NEVER stayed in the team as just a bowler, if he was playing in the same team as Allan Donald, Steyn, Morkel, Pollock, Ntini, Lance Klusener etc.. He'd be in that team mostly for his batting, the same way Kallis did. Then be used as a 4th or 5h seamer

 

[mr_mister]

You're yelling into the abyss like a crazy homeless person now

 

[Lillian Thomson]

More likely just Precam.

 

[mr_mister]

He should put down the meth pipe

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

He's just a tad too negative. For balance he should bump a couple of decade old posts about allrounders and just put 'AWTA'.

 

[trundler]

Can a mod please confirm Redsok as an NZer? Would be a worthy successor to Miyagi and I'm told Blocky and Fiery were similarly pleasant fellows.

 

[srbhkshk]

He's just a tad too negative. For balance he should bump a couple of decade old posts about allrounders and just put 'AWTA'.

The real balance will be achieved when he wakes up another 15 year old thread and calls Botham and Imran useless pretenders.

 

[honestbharani]

If he states Symonds is the only real allrounder, then Redsok is just Red.