So is India safe to tour or is it just a media beat-up?

[Streetwise]

First of all, there are hardly 50 expats in the tournament altogther and secondly the ones who really have issues with IPL does not amount to more than say 10-15 I guess.
The rest is answered in my post above.
And please don't try to "tone down" the attitude of Player Associations. They approached Modi initally with a demand to "shift the IPL out of India". Who are they to "dictate" when they belong to a minority? If they have some problems to come to India, they need not. Plain and simple. IPL doesn't see any purpose in pandering to the concerns of a few individuals' paranoia, however legit it might appear to them. If you don't get it it is called "Management by exceptions".

Source please.

 

[G.I.Joe]

FICA is not an Australian players association, players from all over the world are involved.



It represents all cricketers, this is not an Australian thing, NZ players are asking the same questions and SA players are aswell as English players.

It doesn't matter if they represent Mars. They don't represent Indian players. They have no standing in India.

 

[Sir Alex]

Lalit Modi hits out at FICA and Ponting | Cricket News | Indian Premier League 2010 | Cricinfo.com

Lalit Modi has strongly criticised parties that have expressed concern over the security situation at the IPL, including the Federation of International Cricketers Association and Ricky Ponting.

"We will not be dictated by players associations where to play. DLF IPL will be played in India," Modi posted on his Twitter account, in reaction to safety concerns raised by an independent report commissioned by the players' unions in England, South Africa and Australia, which suggested moving the IPL outside India.

 

[Sir Alex]

The players have the power, nobody else has. They can opt to have FICA represent them or they can represent themselves. Completely up to each player what he wants.


You are the only one isisting that the player has to handle all these issues themselves and cannot have someone represent them. What seems to be the problem with FICA to you personally, I just dont see why there is this fear of the player being professional and organised.

For the n+nth time, players are free to seek outside help. But purely on their initiative and the "opinion" of the consultant is just for their ears. The consultant has no business approaching the IPL and demand his needs be met. You get it?

Please understand this, IPL doesn't care a **** whether the minorty bunch who apparently are unsatisfied with IPL doesnt tour India or not. For them they are replaceable and it is the player who is going to lose out. To seek a reasonable dialogue is one thing, to threaten with withdrawals and demand stuff to come their way is another. FICA has opted for the latter and rightly deserves the thrashing Modi gave it.

 

[Streetwise]

Lalit Modi hits out at FICA and Ponting | Cricket News | Indian Premier League 2010 | Cricinfo.com

Lalit Modi has strongly criticised parties that have expressed concern over the security situation at the IPL, including the Federation of International Cricketers Association and Ricky Ponting.

"We will not be dictated by players associations where to play. DLF IPL will be played in India," Modi posted on his Twitter account, in reaction to safety concerns raised by an independent report commissioned by the players' unions in England, South Africa and Australia, which suggested moving the IPL outside India.

I cant find where anyone apart from Modi is demanding anything.

 

[Streetwise]

For the n+nth time, players are free to seek outside help. But purely on their initiative and the "opinion" of the consultant is just for their ears. The consultant has no business approaching the IPL and demand his needs be met. You get it?

Please understand this, IPL doesn't care a **** whether the minorty bunch who apparently are unsatisfied with IPL doesnt tour India or not. For them they are replaceable and it is the player who is going to lose out. To seek a reasonable dialogue is one thing, to threaten with withdrawals and demand stuff to come their way is another. FICA has opted for the latter and rightly deserves the thrashing Modi gave it.

What has been demanded?.

You keep saying there have been demands but you dont want to enlighten us on these demands.

 

[Sir Alex]

I cant find where anyone apart from Modi is demanding anything.

Read the bolded part. It was not highlighted to be omitted.

 

[Sir Alex]

What has been demanded?.

You keep saying there have been demands but you dont want to enlighten us on these demands.

Australian players told IPL threat 'not credible' | Cricket News | Indian Premier League 2010 | Cricinfo.com

Tim May, the chief executive of the Federation of International Cricketers' Associations, has said there could still be "mass withdrawals" unless players receive a commitment that the IPL's security plans will be implemented at all venues.

That tone is one of demand and not of any dialogue I guess.

 

[Streetwise]

Read the bolded part. It was not highlighted to be omitted.

in reaction to safety concerns raised by an independent report commissioned by the players' unions in England, South Africa and Australia, which suggested moving the IPL outside India.

So the report from Dickason raised concerns about safety and suggested moving the IPL.
So this was presented to FICA by the independent security advisor. Can you now show where this was presented to Modi and demands made.

 

[Sir Alex]

in reaction to safety concerns raised by an independent report commissioned by the players' unions in England, South Africa and Australia, which suggested moving the IPL outside India.

So the report from Dickason raised concerns about safety and suggested moving the IPL.
So this was presented to FICA by the independent security advisor. Can you now show where this was presented to Modi and demands made.

See my above post.

 

[Streetwise]

See my above post.

I still cant see anywhere in the above posts where FICA demanded that the IPL be shifted out of India.

I could see where the independent security advisor recommended it in their report and Modi reacting to it but it was never a demand from FICA to the IPL.

So I still would like the source for this statement "They approached Modi initally with a demand to "shift the IPL out of India".

 

[Jono]

Been away for a bit. Can I get an update about what you guys are fighting about this time.

No doubt involves India vs. Australia.

 

[duffer]

Always wondered what sideshowtim vs precam would've been like. I think I know now.

 

[Jono]

IMO CC on CW has never been worse.

Just came back from Brisbane, had a browse in a few threads.

Found Streetwise vs. Sir Alex, Ikki vs. Sir Alex and a whole bunch of other fighting in almost every thread I went to.

Was tough viewing.

 

[Bracken]

Could you please list out the details about voting power that each player union hold in FICA? And the no. of members country wise? I think that would give better insight to who actually has "the power" within FICA.

You have an internet connection, and given your past on this site, you are obviously proficient at using it. I'm quite sure you can look that up for yourself.

Regardless, I couldn't care less and it bears no relevance. The "power"- in the case of the Australian players and their union, at least- is held by every individual member, who contributes to the decisions made, and who can act contrary to the collective decisions.

Again, FICA's power comes from the fact that they have been tasked by the players to represent them.

I realise that, with this paragraph, you're trying to make this a nationalist thing, but it just isn't the case. On a completely different topic, I would suggest that trying to turn discussions into country-versus-country pissing contests isn't the best idea for someone who's trying to keep up this "I'm absolutely OFFENDED that you'd think I was him" subterfuge.

Just saying...

This is not a court FFS. Nobody is arbitrating here. If players have a security issue, let them ask the teams and then the IPL themselves to be assured about it. Nobody is preventing from players to do that, are they? So if they are given the right to be explained to, why bring in unrelated outsiders? Nobody is saying players can't consult security experts to check whether the assurances given by IPL are okay or not, but that they can do at their own expense and without explicitly consulting IPL.

Here the FICA and all player unions have at best the validity of a tax consultant that the player has appointed.

This is getting tiresome. Once more, FICA has the right to approach the IPL because the players have, through their domestic associations, PAID them to do so.

Modi and the IPL, of course, are under no obligation to sit down with FICA, an the IPL has every right to tell FICA to go forth and fornicate- but this doesn't preclude FICA from attempting to engage on their members' behalf. FICA's "validity" comes from the fact that they, and not any tax consultants, have been tasked by the players to represent them on the issue.

I doubt that you see it through your blue pom-poms, but you're pretty much arguing against the entire principle of "Freedom of Association". If you want to keep doing so, then go nuts and argue away. I gave up posting on this site a while ago because I got tired of cheerleaders who wanted to win arguments rather than engage in actual discussions, so you'll forgive me if I choose not to participate further.

God how I wish these Australians understood it.

Newsflash, dude. My heritage is more Indian than Australian. I was born in Britain to a fiercely proud Indian woman (who made sure that her children were similarly proud of their heritage) and an Englishman. I moved to Australia later.

But hey- feel free to pigeonhole my position on this as a function of my race and nationality, rather than my conscience. That's not offensive at all...

Is the FICA in charge of the contract signings of these players? The teams signed the players on their own.. The IPL board sent them the security plans and to the national cricket boards of the countries involved... What else do FICA need? To show them the plan as well? I am sorry, FICA have no real standing here in India.. If the players want to approach the IPL through someone, let them do through their boards or through their franchises...

And speaking of cheerleaders...

Read the above. If the players choose to be represented, then that is their right.

I'm done.

 

[Streetwise]

Players from South Africa involved in the IPL have written to their franchises asking for access to security reports for the 2010 tournament and have requested that they be made available to "their chosen representatives", according to Tony Irish, the chief executive of the South African Cricketers' Association.
Players want access to security details - SACA | Cricket News | Indian Premier League 2010 | Cricinfo.com

England batsman Ravi Bopara has yet to make a decision on whether he will play in this year's Indian Premier League.
The Essex man also revealed he has pushed back his flight to India due to ongoing security concerns, having been due to fly out today.
The 24-year-old is due to play for the King's Punjab XI on a $450,000 a year contract but is currently deciding whether to take part in the wake of Reg Dickason's (ECB security expert) report which warned of "serious" worries over the threat of terrorism.
Kevin Pietersen, Paul Collingwood, Eoin Morgan, Owais Shah, Bopara, Dimitri Mascarenhas, Graham Napier and Michael Lumb are the other English players set to feature in the tournament.
Bopara told the Mail On Sunday: "Cricket is my living and in many way my life. But it is not worth dying for.
"This is a very tricky call. I have been in touch with the franchise and they are pretty positive that things will be OK. But Reg Dickason's report says something different.

It seems to please some people that Modi is not being helpful with this issue.

 

[Sir Alex]

Modi and the IPL, of course, are under no obligation to sit down with FICA, an the IPL has every right to tell FICA to go forth and fornicate- but this doesn't preclude FICA from attempting to engage on their members' behalf. FICA's "validity" comes from the fact that they, and not any tax consultants, have been tasked by the players to represent them on the issue.

I'm done too. That is exactly what I've been telling.

 

[jeevan]

Threat not credible.

BTW the respective governments can be effective interlocutors for the players too. Better than players unions, since, as the Australian govt reminds us in this article - they're privy to a lot more information in normal course of events any way.

 

[Sir Alex]

Threat not credible.

BTW the respective governments can be effective interlocutors for the players too. Better than players unions, since, as the Australian govt reminds us in this article - they're privy to a lot more information in normal course of events any way.

I think that is an excellent suggestion.

 

[Shri]

Hoping this doesn't leave a bad taste in the mouth via another actual attack when the tournament is in progress. I hope no overseas player comes to the tournament without being a 100% sure about their security.