Simon Katich getting a raw deal with the aus selectors?

[tooextracool]

Because Symonds is a better one-day player than Katich.
And it was the West Indies, not Pakistan.

doubt it, katich is a far better player than symonds will ever be in any form of the game. of course i dont think symonds should be dropped, because id much rather get the satisfaction of watching him fail miserably before that happens simply because its the fairest thing to do.

 

[tooextracool]

It's harder to get out of the Australian team than it is to get in..

say that to kaspa and bevan. i think the saying should be, "its harder to get out of the australian team, if you are liked by the selectors(hayden, lehmann, b.lee etc) than it is to get in if you are not.

 

[tooextracool]

Well they dropped M Waugh after that triangular ODI series because he was out of form, and he was a class player.
and I think Symonds had enough chances already!

the only reason i can fathom as to why waugh was dropped was because the team failed miserably in that series, and changes needed to be made, mark waugh was just unfortunate to have been going through a bad patch at the time in which australia played poorly, symonds is fortunate enough to be having a bad patch while australia is still playing well.

 

[cricket player]

For a guy who is compared to top level cricketers lets say salman butt wont get the chance to play for australia while if he was an indian or a pakistani he would have been selected immidetly.So what is that say.You have to be talented to the limit to get in the australian team.This can ruin a youngsters dream playing for australia.The majority of youngster want to be playing for australia is over the limit and out of 1000 of those only 100 or so can make it to the team.

Australian cricket is getting out fo hand.Soon cricket would be treated like how it is treated in usa in australia and i am sure no one wants to see that happening.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

For a guy who is compared to top level cricketers lets say salman butt wont get the chance to play for australia while if he was an indian or a pakistani he would have been selected immidetly.

I doubt Salman would walk into the Indian team. Consider the sob story of Sriram for reasoning as to why. Salman doesn't even average 40 in FC cricket.

So what is that say.You have to be talented to the limit to get in the australian team.This can ruin a youngsters dream playing for australia.The majority of youngster want to be playing for australia is over the limit and out of 1000 of those only 100 or so can make it to the team.

I doubt it's 1 in every 10 Aussie cricketer who will play for the senior side. I'm sure the stat is far off from that.

Australian cricket is getting out fo hand.Soon cricket would be treated like how it is treated in usa in australia and i am sure no one wants to see that happening.

So Australia should try to be less top class?

 

[age_master]

hmm katich has been unlucky not to play more games, if hayden and symonds dont find form soon he will no doubt find himself in the side on a more regular basis.

 

[Crazy Sam]

why should symonds be dropped? he made more than hayden, ponting, clarke, lehmann combined in the last game.

Symonds is far superior in every aspect of the game to Katich.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

why should symonds be dropped? he made more than hayden, ponting, clarke, lehmann combined in the last game.

Oh yes. One whole game. Don't mind he may have been caught by Lara on 1 and Katich scored more than twice as many.

Symonds is far superior in every aspect of the game to Katich.

Except for those pesky stats ey?

Symonds Test avge: 13.25
Katich: 41.10
Irrelevant.

Symonds OD avge: 35.42
Katich: 39.50

Symonds FC: 42.47
Katich: 50.60

Symonds OD: 31.21
Katich: 40.37

Yes...

 

[dinu23]

the only reason i can fathom as to why waugh was dropped was because the team failed miserably in that series, and changes needed to be made, mark waugh was just unfortunate to have been going through a bad patch at the time in which australia played poorly, symonds is fortunate enough to be having a bad patch while australia is still playing well.

good point. I didn't think that way. But still I think Katich can offer lot more to the team than Symonds at the present time.

 

[dinu23]

Oh yes. One whole game. Don't mind he may have been caught by Lara on 1 and Katich scored more than twice as many.


Except for those pesky stats ey?

Symonds Test avge: 13.25
Katich: 41.10
Irrelevant.

Symonds OD avge: 35.42
Katich: 39.50

Symonds FC: 42.47
Katich: 50.60

Symonds OD: 31.21
Katich: 40.37

Yes...

 

[Pratters]

The Australian selectors back a player they believe in. If they do not believe the player has a future, they will drop him. Justified or pure biased attitude?

With the track record of winning world cup 99 after removing Taylor, 2003 after removing Waugh, you can only show faith in them.

They are giving a fair chance to Katich as well right now I imagine and Katich is wrong to be almost fatalistic about his one day future. Lehmann got into the faith books of Aussie selectors much after a long period of a dominant FC career. So as a player, Katich shouldnt just think he will get dropped after a good inning. The fact that he has been brought back into the one day team meant the Aussie selectors thought he might have a future with the one day team.

And dont cry over why Symonds has been given os many chances when he is struggling. He was a bold selection in 2003 by the selectors and proved them right.

I dont think the selectors are right always as in the case of Bevan. But they must have felt he wouldnt be good enough in 2007.

 

[tooextracool]

good point. I didn't think that way. But still I think Katich can offer lot more to the team than Symonds at the present time.

oh i do too, but if i were a selector i would be fair to symonds and give him more time. what i do not understand is how fickle minded some of these australian fans/selectors are, one day they talk about how difficult it is to get dropped from the aussie side by saying things like " its harder to get in than it is to get out" and the next day they drop(well pretty much) steve waugh, healy etc, whoever the wise guy was that said mcgrath was past his prime, and bevan being dropped. i mean show some consistency here.

 

[Scallywag]

oh i do too, but if i were a selector i would be fair to symonds and give him more time. what i do not understand is how fickle minded some of these australian fans/selectors are, one day they talk about how difficult it is to get dropped from the aussie side by saying things like " its harder to get in than it is to get out" and the next day they drop(well pretty much) steve waugh, healy etc, whoever the wise guy was that said mcgrath was past his prime, and bevan being dropped. i mean show some consistency here.

Oh yeah the Aussie selectors and supporters are fickle.

 

[tooextracool]

well done in not explaining why they're not too.

 

[Scallywag]

well done in not explaining why they're not too.

Your explanation of why they are fickle has no merit and thus needs no explanation of why they are not fickle.

 

[tooextracool]

yes i mean when one day you hear that bevan has been dropped irrespective of the fact that hes been the best ODI player ever, and the next day who here that someone like symonds has been retained on the basis of 'its harder to get out than it is to get in' really, i do wonder how consistent these aussies are with their selection policies.

 

[Scallywag]

i do wonder how consistent these aussies are with their selection policies.

Rock solid and it shows.

 

[tooextracool]

brilliantly explained yet again.

 

[Scallywag]

brilliantly explained yet again.

Well you did explain it yourself, the selectors will drop players when they are at the end of their career, eg: waugh, Bevan, Healy and they will allways give a new player a decent run, eg: Clarke, Katich, Symonds.

How do you come to the conclusion that they are inconsistent.

 

[tooextracool]

because hayden is 1 year younger than bevan and is still playing ODI cricket for australia while bevan isnt, despite the fact that hayden averages about 20 runs less than bevan when you exclude performances against namibia, kenya and b'desh.