Should West Indies adopt Bazball ?

[Aritro]

Gayle played over 100 tests averaging over 40. He paid his dues. He was known for making facetious comments at the time.

What happened was the board and Otis Gibson treated him, Sarwan and Shiv like cr@p and forced him to earn his corn elsewhere.

Pooran, Dre Russ and Narine are the ones you can question on love for test cricket. Most players still love it.

I thought I read somewhere a while ago that Pooran would like to play tests but can't commit to playing in the FC comp

 

[Beamer]

I thought I read somewhere a while ago that Pooran would like to play tests but can't commit to playing in the FC comp

That's the official position, but it provides a convenient excuse.

I just want them to pick him and see what he says.

 

[reyrey]

The version of Narine that might have been successful in Test cricket would get done for chucking. Current version aint gonna cut it. Dre Russ would have been permanently on the injury table. Don't really know about Pooran.

I do know Pollard would have liked a crack at Test cricket. He sounded like he really fancied himself in the format.

 

[Beamer]

The version of Narine that might have been successful in Test cricket would get done for chucking. Current version aint gonna cut it. Dre Russ would have been permanently on the injury table. Don't really know about Pooran.

I do know Pollard would have liked a crack at Test cricket. He sounded like he really fancied himself in the format.

Pollard was a beast in FC cricket until he started playing T20. I do think he could have been decent in tests if he had been given the chance. Certainly by the current teams standards.

I don't know if Pooran would be any good at tests now. What I do know is he is the most talented batter we have and we haven't had the chance to see what he can do in tests.

 

[ImpatientLime]

the idea that Pooran should have to prove himself with a run in FC cricket is farcical.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Of all the WI bats I have seen, I am most surprised by Hope's performance in Tests.

 

[ImpatientLime]

if you watched the state of West Indian FC cricket you would not be surprised by how totally inept any of their batsman are at test level.

 

[Silver Silva]

The version of Narine that might have been successful in Test cricket would get done for chucking. Current version aint gonna cut it. Dre Russ would have been permanently on the injury table. Don't really know about Pooran.

I do know Pollard would have liked a crack at Test cricket. He sounded like he really fancied himself in the format.

My question is what is there to lose by adopting Bazball for West Indies?

If you can't be a top 5 team playing the conventional/traditional way , if your batsmen are struggling to average over 35 playing the conventional way , if you are barely attracting fans to stadium playing the conventional way , if your best player is averaging 33 playing the conventional way , then what good is the conventional way ?

 

[ImpatientLime]

My question is what is there to lose by adopting Bazball for West Indies?

If you can't be a top 5 team playing the conventional/traditional way , if your batsmen are struggling to average over 35 playing the conventional way , if you are barely attracting fans to stadium playing the conventional way , if your best player is averaging 33 playing the conventional way , then what good is the conventional way ?

they're not gonna score runs whether they play the 'conventional way', the 'bazball' way, with an onion tied to their belt (which was the style at the time), riding a unicycle whilst wearing full clown make up or whatever other way you can dream up.

they are set up to fail. they do not have the resources or infrastructure with which to make any approach to test match cricket a consistent success. the island territories need a complete overhaul in order to ensure everyone pulls in one direction. but this is a region made up of small individual nations with their own national pride at stake, unlike anything else in world cricket and trying to score at 6 runs per over is not going to fix their issues.

west indies cricket is deeply complex and threads like this completely disregard the unique circumstances that region faces compared to all other member nations.

 

[honestbharani]

they're not gonna score runs whether they play the 'conventional way', the 'bazball' way, with an onion tied to their belt (which was the style at the time), riding a unicycle whilst wearing full clown make up or whatever other way you can dream up.

they are set up to fail. they do not have the resources or infrastructure with which to make any approach to test match cricket a consistent success. the island territories need a complete overhaul in order to ensure everyone pulls in one direction. but this is a region made up of small individual nations with their own national pride at stake, unlike anything else in world cricket and trying to score at 6 runs per over is not going to fix their issues.

west indies cricket is deeply complex and threads like this completely disregard the unique circumstances that region faces compared to all other member nations.

Sure. But I still think there is merit in considering if they will be more successful in tests playing that brand than the regular one.

 

[Silver Silva]

they're not gonna score runs whether they play the 'conventional way', the 'bazball' way, with an onion tied to their belt (which was the style at the time), riding a unicycle whilst wearing full clown make up or whatever other way you can dream up.

they are set up to fail. they do not have the resources or infrastructure with which to make any approach to test match cricket a consistent success. the island territories need a complete overhaul in order to ensure everyone pulls in one direction. but this is a region made up of small individual nations with their own national pride at stake, unlike anything else in world cricket and trying to score at 6 runs per over is not going to fix their issues.

west indies cricket is deeply complex and threads like this completely disregard the unique circumstances that region faces compared to all other member nations.

It is what it is but try all avenues , maybe an entertaining brand of cricket will bring fans back to test cricket you won't know unless you try , then when everybody is together then you take it from there and adapt here and there , the grassroots problem is a long term development , give people something to talk about for the present day guys

 

[reyrey]

My question is what is there to lose by adopting Bazball for West Indies?

If you can't be a top 5 team playing the conventional/traditional way , if your batsmen are struggling to average over 35 playing the conventional way , if you are barely attracting fans to stadium playing the conventional way , if your best player is averaging 33 playing the conventional way , then what good is the conventional way ?

Although this won't answer your question directly. The main thing is probably money. English Test players are guaranteed good money so they don't need to go down the T20 mercenary globetrotter route. For Tests England get to pick from the best hitters and most naturally talented who are typically players suited to Bazball.

For a West Indian player the T20 route has potentially more money and opportunities. All the best hitters and natural talent go down that route. Test cricket still allows for a decent living, but it leaves the more traditional and stodgy guys who probably don't have the Bazball game in them to fill the Test places.

The English example of this was Ben Foakes. He just couldn't Bazball it up.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Not sure if now is the best time for other countries to be thinking about adopting Bazball when England have basically reverted to type in Test cricket lol

 

[Beamer]

Not sure if now is the best time for other countries to be thinking about adopting Bazball when England have basically reverted to type in Test cricket lol

I reckon scoring between 3 a d 5 per over very with a positive mindset, calculated aggression and a nice blend of defence and attack is the way to go. Wether they gets call bazball or not.

Basically, watching Kraigg and Josh Da Silva block all day and then get out anyway is not doing our brand or competitiveness any good at all.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

I reckon scoring between 3 a d 5 per over very with a positive mindset, calculated aggression and a nice blend of defence and attack is the way to go. Wether they gets call bazball or not.

Basically, watching Kraigg and Josh Da Silva block all day and then get out anyway is not doing our brand or competitiveness any good at all.

Ultimately, I think the best way to reinvigorate the West Indies is just to win games, I don’t think any of the players who played this summer are bad players (ok, maybe Kirk McKenzie), but they just lack experience and consistency, I think getting back some of the franchise regulars will help