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Should Shoaib Shorten His Run Up?

benchmark00

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Gangster said:
People are physically stronger now than before. Better nutrition, better training methods, better vitamins, better knowledge of the human body, better care of the body, better exerices, better exercise machines. Add all that up and you'd be silly not to believe bowlers bowl faster now than before.
lol in the 70's they still had a benchpress machine and proper food.........

the fact is that i cant say that todays bowlers are faster or i cant say yesterdays bowlers are faster, either can you, so before you brand me silly, just remember you werent around then, anything couldve happened...
 

Gangster

U19 12th Man
benchmark00 said:
lol in the 70's they still had a benchpress machine and proper food.........

the fact is that i cant say that todays bowlers are faster or i cant say yesterdays bowlers are faster, either can you, so before you brand me silly, just remember you werent around then, anything couldve happened...
I wasn't around in 1492 either but I know Columbus sailed the ocean blue...

The point isn't that they didn't have food or any exercise machines, the point is the food we have now and the machines we have now and the training methods we have now are infinitely better than the methods we had even fifteen years ago.

Think about this: in track and field, world records are constantly being broken. Why is this? Why is the current 100m Men's time 9.7 or something whereas in 1970 it was 11 or 12? Why is this? Explain that, and you'll see why bowlers MUST bowl faster now than before.
 

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Gangster said:
I wasn't around in 1492 either but I know Columbus sailed the ocean blue...

The point isn't that they didn't have food or any exercise machines, the point is the food we have now and the machines we have now and the training methods we have now are infinitely better than the methods we had even fifteen years ago.

Think about this: in track and field, world records are constantly being broken. Why is this? Why is the current 100m Men's time 9.7 or something whereas in 1970 it was 11 or 12? Why is this? Explain that, and you'll see why bowlers MUST bowl faster now than before.
The point about track and field is not related to this at all... so are you calling people like tony greig, Ian Chappel, Richie Benaud, Greg Chappel, Rod Marsh etc liars?? you must be because thers no way people could bowl fast back in the 70's.... :wacko:
 

PAKMAN

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Merv tells Shoaib to take steps
Jon Pierik
22dec04

FORMER Australian firebrand Merv Hughes has questioned whether Shoaib Akhtar should be considered one of cricket's premier pacemen.

As Shoaib ponders a demand from team management to cut his marathon 33m run-up, Hughes yesterday criticised the Rawalpindi Express for his lack of endurance.
While Shoaib may be the world's quickest bowler, his ability to remain venomous after his opening spell has often been a moot point.

"They talk about Shoaib and what a class bowler he is," Hughes said.

"A class bowler can bowl more than five overs in a spell. Shoaib bowls five in a spell and he's absolutely knackered.


"So, his team is not getting as much out of him as he can.

"You have a look at the Australian bowlers, whether it be Brett Lee, whether it be (Michael) Kasprowicz or (Glenn) McGrath or (Jason) Gillespie, they can bowl 10, 12-over spells and they are fit enough and strong enough to carry that.

"But also because of their run-up they are allowed to do that. With Shoaib, there is no way known he can possibly bowl a 12 or 13-over spell."

While he battled weight problems throughout his career, Hughes' ability to dish up hostile spells throughout a long day made him invaluable.

Hughes, who finished with 212 wickets in 53 Tests, was also one of the great intimidators of his time.

He feels Shoaib, with 139 scalps at 24.14 in 34 Tests, also lacks this important quality.

"When he bowls it, he finishes off at extra cover," Hughes told radio station SEN. "He is not getting in the face of batsmen. If you look at Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie and Michael Kasprowicz, they virtually run down the pitch.

"They finish off halfway down the pitch looking at the batsman.

"Especially from a Pakistan or Indian or Sri Lankan's point of view, when they are that size and looking at blokes 6ft 6in that are virtually standing over them, they have got to be intimidated.

"But Shoaib . . . the batsmen are looking at him and thinking there is no intimidation there."
 

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PAKMAN said:
oh please do tell :wacko:
lol ok but take in mind this wasnt what i said.....

he said that akthar is a disgrace, he is no way near fit enough, and he has no heart... the half an over he bowled because of the little tape he had on his toes was totally weak and he needs to apply himself more than what he is doing.... he also said that his run up is ridiculous.... along with other things.

lol i congratulate waugh for saying what he thinks but remember this is only his opinion, not mine! lol
 

Dasa

International Vice-Captain
Inside Cricket is a joke of a show... they should just rename it to "Aussies are gods, and the rest of you suck"
 

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Dasa said:
Inside Cricket is a joke of a show... they should just rename it to "Aussies are gods, and the rest of you suck"
In terms of cricket it wouldnt be far wrong would it? :p
 

Beleg

International Regular
Yes, you would be.

Top three batsman of the current era:

Lara
Tendulkar
Hayden

Top three bowlers of the current era:

Ambrose/Akram/McGrath
Warne
Murlitharan

Excellent but no way near God status.
 

bryce

International Regular
benchmark00 said:
but 40 yards worth of rhythm?.... flemming also said the longer your run up is the more chance youre going to lose your rhythm and momentum, valid point i felt
everyone has a different method that they feel is best, he obviously isn't going to lose his rhythm if he's been doing it(the run-up) for years, a fast bowlers run up is about gathering speed and momentum and if he needs 33 metres to do that to his own satisfaction then there is no point in changing it, i agree with merv hughes though - 5 over spells in tests are not much use at all, maybe he should get some professional coaching to shorten his run up whilst being just an effective bowler.
 

C_C

International Captain
If it aint broke, dont fix it.
Shoaib is the best bowler in PAK currently and only one who can blast out the aussies....

People who are worrying about AKhtar's runup havn't obviously seen Holding's.
 

Link

State Vice-Captain
C_C said:
If it aint broke, dont fix it.
Shoaib is the best bowler in PAK currently and only one who can blast out the aussies....

People who are worrying about AKhtar's runup havn't obviously seen Holding's.
But Holding's heart , fitness or willpower was never questioned nor doubted
 

C_C

International Captain
Link said:
But Holding's heart , fitness or willpower was never questioned nor doubted
fair enough but i think with shoaib it might be the issue of rythm.
It obviously works for him,so dont tinker with it.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
Mister Wright said:
He's always said that the extra run up doesn't generate any more pace for him. He says he gets better rythum from the longer run up, so that can only be better for his bowling IMO, until you have seen him bowl live, you cannot appreciate the wonder of his bowling - personally, I love it (the longer run up).
I agree. I saw him bowl shorter run-ups against India during the Asia Cup, he didn't seem to have the same rhythm. And quiet honestly, I'd be less scared to face him with a shorter runup.
 

Gangster

U19 12th Man
benchmark00 said:
The point about track and field is not related to this at all... so are you calling people like tony greig, Ian Chappel, Richie Benaud, Greg Chappel, Rod Marsh etc liars?? you must be because thers no way people could bowl fast back in the 70's.... :wacko:
How is the point about track and field not related? It demonstrates how people get faster and stronger over time due to science and new training methodology. You'd be wrong to say that the average runner from the 1960s was faster than the average runner today. Similarly, you'd be wrong to say the average fast bowler of the 1960s bowled faster than the average one today.

I don't understand your question. Why would I be calling them liars? Because they swear guys like Holding and Donald were faster? They're not lying, just deceived by their senses. People did bowl fast in the 1970s. They were just slower than fast bowlers today.
 
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Gangster

U19 12th Man
PAKMAN said:
Merv tells Shoaib to take steps
Jon Pierik
22dec04

FORMER Australian firebrand Merv Hughes has questioned whether Shoaib Akhtar should be considered one of cricket's premier pacemen.

As Shoaib ponders a demand from team management to cut his marathon 33m run-up, Hughes yesterday criticised the Rawalpindi Express for his lack of endurance.
While Shoaib may be the world's quickest bowler, his ability to remain venomous after his opening spell has often been a moot point.

"They talk about Shoaib and what a class bowler he is," Hughes said.

"A class bowler can bowl more than five overs in a spell. Shoaib bowls five in a spell and he's absolutely knackered.


"So, his team is not getting as much out of him as he can.

"You have a look at the Australian bowlers, whether it be Brett Lee, whether it be (Michael) Kasprowicz or (Glenn) McGrath or (Jason) Gillespie, they can bowl 10, 12-over spells and they are fit enough and strong enough to carry that.

"But also because of their run-up they are allowed to do that. With Shoaib, there is no way known he can possibly bowl a 12 or 13-over spell."

While he battled weight problems throughout his career, Hughes' ability to dish up hostile spells throughout a long day made him invaluable.

Hughes, who finished with 212 wickets in 53 Tests, was also one of the great intimidators of his time.

He feels Shoaib, with 139 scalps at 24.14 in 34 Tests, also lacks this important quality.

"When he bowls it, he finishes off at extra cover," Hughes told radio station SEN. "He is not getting in the face of batsmen. If you look at Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie and Michael Kasprowicz, they virtually run down the pitch.

"They finish off halfway down the pitch looking at the batsman.

"Especially from a Pakistan or Indian or Sri Lankan's point of view, when they are that size and looking at blokes 6ft 6in that are virtually standing over them, they have got to be intimidated.

"But Shoaib . . . the batsmen are looking at him and thinking there is no intimidation there."
Maybe Merv Hughes should concern himself more with cutting donuts out of his diet than with Shoaib Akhtar's run up. It's ridiculous. For the most out of shape cricketer ever to insult anothr cricketer's level of fitness. Absurd! Shoaib Akhtar is in magnificent shape. He has a great physique and certainly could bowl 10 over spells if he wanted to. But he doesn't and fast bowler should not be asked to bowl 10 over spells. They should bowl 7-8 maximum.
 

sledger

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i must say that in this instance i back ahktar completely, shortening his run up would more than likely reduce the quality of his bowling and weaken the strength of the pakistan squad even further which at the moment they cannot really afford
 

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Beleg said:
Yes, you would be.

Top three batsman of the current era:

Lara
Tendulkar
Hayden

Top three bowlers of the current era:

Ambrose/Akram/McGrath
Warne
Murlitharan

Excellent but no way near God status.
Firstly my comments were a joke.... and secondly ambrose and akram dont play cricket anymore so they are not current..... The team is a unit, not all broken up into 11 individual parts... a champion team always beats a team of champions
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
That Shoaib has refused is not surprising. He genuinly believes that his long run up is directly related to his speed. Its also true that when he has cut short his run up he has bowled at lower speeds. None of this proves that he is right in assuming that he can not reduce his run up and the speed at which he runs without affecting the speed of his delivery.

He needs to be willing to give it an honest try, do it in the nets with a shorter (not dramatically) run up which is smooth and relaxed and builds to a crscendo of explosive energy only in the last couple of strides. It can be done and will not reduce his speed.

It will allow him to bowl longer spells.
It will reduce his chances of ankle injuries and even other lower limb injuries.
It will allow him to relax during the boeling and is likely to make him more focussed and accurate.

After having settled on a reduced and less stressful and smoother run up AND most importantly, seen for himself that his speed is not affected, he should take it into match play.

To get Shoaib to do this, he needs to be handled differently. Pakistan needs an Imran Khan to handle Shoaib, not Inzemam.
 

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