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Should Kenya be given test status
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chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
There is already a Tier 2 or Div 2; World Cricket League and Inter Cont. Cup. Thats enough for the for the moment. People seem to forgot that Scotland and Ireland won the first two Inter Cont. Cup and Kenya haven't won yet. Until they prove they are a class above the other Associaties then they should be happy playing World Cricket League and Inter Cont. Cup.
Bangladesh have shown recently in ODIs against Scotland and Kenya they are a class above. It wouldn't help their process by dropping back to the World Cricket League. Bangladesh are where Sri Lanka was in 1994 IMO. Intersting its taken them 8 years to reach this level and it took Sri Lanka 12 years. IMO fast tracking them is paying off.
Bangladesh have shown recently in ODIs against Scotland and Kenya they are a class above. It wouldn't help their process by dropping back to the World Cricket League. Bangladesh are where Sri Lanka was in 1994 IMO. Intersting its taken them 8 years to reach this level and it took Sri Lanka 12 years. IMO fast tracking them is paying off.
BlackCap_Fan
State Vice-Captain
Only way I could agree to them getting test status imo.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
That is being very, very generous and something Bangladesh have done little to deserve.
In that 12 years compared to 8, they played roughly the same number of ODIs, roughly 150 (Ill ignore Tests as Bangladesh are even further behind there).
Sri Lanka had 36 wins against Test nations (excl. Zim)
Bangladesh have 4
There is no doubt Bangladesh have progressed (it would be impossible not to), but I would not say they are even close to being a decent team or that the fast tracking is paying off.
I have 2 questions !That is being very, very generous and something Bangladesh have done little to deserve.
In that 12 years compared to 8, they played roughly the same number of ODIs, roughly 150 (Ill ignore Tests as Bangladesh are even further behind there).
Sri Lanka had 36 wins against Test nations (excl. Zim)
Bangladesh have 4
There is no doubt Bangladesh have progressed (it would be impossible not to), but I would not say they are even close to being a decent team or that the fast tracking is paying off.
1. What is there needed to bring better winning percentage in the tests?
2. Which of the following options are the most important ones to bring home the test level glory ?
a. Popularity of the game in the country
b. One good team luckily developed
c. Enough talent in the local system
d. One good shocking performance (either in the tests or Odis) which lifts the team's morale all together on long term basis
e. Continuous and immense supervision of one team (having average players)
f. Just by chance getting a few true match winners
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
1. What is there needed to bring better winning percentage in the tests?
3-4 quality players and depth. A strong domestic structure and the ability to produce good fast bowling
2. Which of the following options are the most important ones to bring home the test level glory ?
c
Popularity of the game isnt very important. If it was then India with its population of over a billion would never lose a game and Australia with its population of around 20 mil would be in the middle of the pack.
As Ive said before, Zimbabwe produced a decent Test team from a population of 3 schools. Also the US has more players domestically than a lot of other higher ranked countries.
Its about systems and processes, a strong domestic structure and being able to produce good fast bowling or 1 freak cricketer ie Murali.
Having lots of cricketers is unimportant if they cant take the step up. For example soccer is the most popular sport in the US in terms of junior participation however few continue into and past high school and there are not the structures in place to make that massive participation convert into professional talent.
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Excellent point there and I guess it indeed is the best point over all the other options !!!!
I have this in my mind for quite a long time and have discussed the importance of fast bowling many times before. It really changes the way spectators or countrymen look at the game + A fast bowler does spark the game up .
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
I think it has a lot to do with time too. It is not necessarily the first generation of players that really move ahead. I think if cricket is raised in the public conciousness, and infrastructure is built due to that revenue, the future generations will be the ones that are competitive. Twelve years from their join date, I think BL will start to be competitive and win a lot more games, including perhaps a test or two at home vs top eight sides.That is being very, very generous and something Bangladesh have done little to deserve.
In that 12 years compared to 8, they played roughly the same number of ODIs, roughly 150 (Ill ignore Tests as Bangladesh are even further behind there).
Sri Lanka had 36 wins against Test nations (excl. Zim)
Bangladesh have 4
There is no doubt Bangladesh have progressed (it would be impossible not to), but I would not say they are even close to being a decent team or that the fast tracking is paying off.
Fiery
Banned
Well said PheonixFire. A wise head on young shoulders there. Kenya have got too many "issues" to sort out first
archie mac
International Coach
I thought they were already cricket mad before they were given Test status?
Fiery
Banned
Well that's something the ICC should think seriously about archie mac. Good call
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Neither should have it IMO. I'm fine with Bangladesh having it.
Fiery
Banned
So am I now...now that they've beaten us...
archie mac
International Coach
Excuse my ignorance, but how close (geo) are some of these 2nd tier contries? Could something like the WIs combined teams work?
BlackCap_Fan
State Vice-Captain
Not a chance. Kenya is a bit south of the Horn - bordering Ethiopia and Somalia. Zimbabwe is hundreds of miles away in south east africa. There are several countires in between them. Map here.
The only combination could be is Zimbabwe with South Africa. But South Africa wouldn't even think about doing that, and rightly so.
And also, Bangladesh is east of India, If you were wondering.
Fiery
Banned
Another excellent idea. The yarpies and the ICC wont allow it though
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
You still need money for infrastructure, stadiums, etc. For that you need income from international matches. I do not think they should have been admitted when they were, but now that they are, I do think they'll be competitive soon enough (next five years) when the next generation of players mature.
BlackCap_Fan
State Vice-Captain
No offense, but why is this an excellent idea? I can't fathom why.
Zimbabwe is miles away from Kenya, and seperated by several countries. But, more importantly, no country in the world wants to associate itself with Zimbabwe, for obvious reasons.
Except for Chavez, but he's a dolt and probably a bit nuts.