Should Gibbs make it to the WI ATG XI?

[Sliferxxxx]

Picking Gibbs over a fast bowler doesn't weaken the bowling IMO, just makes it slightly less fearsome. Also Sobers is an excellent 4th pace option.

Only weak point in a WI ATG Xl for me is the tail (including the keeper unless picking Walcott) so yeah a high quality spin bowler averaging 22 with the bat would get preference from me over a pacer who averaged half that,

Wi weak point is spin. Our middle order options are such that the tail hardly matters. We have Viv, Gary, Lara, Kanhai, Lloyd, Headley, Weekes, Walcott, Worrell, Nurse, etc.

 

[kyear2]

Picking Gibbs over a fast bowler doesn't weaken the bowling IMO, just makes it slightly less fearsome. Also Sobers is an excellent 4th pace option.

Only weak point in a WI ATG Xl for me is the tail (including the keeper unless picking Walcott) so yeah a high quality spin bowler averaging 22 with the bat would get preference from me over a pacer who averaged half that,

It does weaken it somewhat, adding some variety, but definitely weakening it.

The tail doesn't have the highest averages, but everyone there has stepped up on multiple occasions when required.

Gibbs, I'm way less sure about.

But not only that, but this motion that the tail is suddenly and somehow the most critical part of a cricket team has never been borne out in reality.

 

[reyrey]

Wi weak point is spin. Our middle order options are such that the tail hardly matters. We have Viv, Gary, Lara, Kanhai, Lloyd, Headley, Weekes, Walcott, Worrell, Nurse, etc.

Are you planning on picking all of them in your middle order or something? If not then it really doesn't matter how many options there are.

Gibbs is perfect foil for 4 attacking pace bowlers and his record is solid.

 

[sayon basak]

Are you planning on picking all of them in your middle order or something? If not then it really doesn't matter how many options there are.

Gibbs is perfect foil for 4 attacking pace bowlers and his record is solid.

He is not gonna pick all of them. But he's gonna pick Viv, Lara, Gary and Headley; so the middle order definitely is good enough to support his claim.

 

[reyrey]

It does weaken it somewhat, adding some variety, but definitely weakening it.

The tail doesn't have the highest averages, but everyone there has stepped up on multiple occasions when required.

Gibbs, I'm way less sure about.

But not only that, but this motion that the tail is suddenly and somehow the most critical part of a cricket team has never been borne out in reality.

You need less overs of spin from Sobers which was not his strong suit, so on that side the bowling is stronger.

 

[sayon basak]

You need less overs of spin from Sobers which was not his strong suit, so on that side the bowling is stronger.

But that gap is not enough to overcome the quality gap between Gibbs and Holding.

 

[reyrey]

He is not gonna pick all of them. But he's gonna pick Viv, Lara, Gary and Headley; so the middle order definitely is good enough to support his claim.

It still doesn't strengthen the tail which was my original point. To say it doesn't matter doesn't change the fact that it would still be a weak tail.

 

[reyrey]

But that gap is not enough to overcome the quality gap between Gibbs and Holding.

I wouldn't drop Holding. Probably Garner as him and Ambrose are very similar. You get a better version of Sobers when he bowls pace too.

Also having Gibbs in the side allows more rotation of the premier quicks which would be important if they aren't blowing away sides. Playing against other ATG XIs there is a good chance they won't always blow them away.

 

[kyear2]

But that gap is not enough to overcome the quality gap between Gibbs and Holding.

Well Holding is my team over Garner in any regards.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

It does weaken it somewhat, adding some variety, but definitely weakening it.

The tail doesn't have the highest averages, but everyone there has stepped up on multiple occasions when required.

Gibbs, I'm way less sure about.

But not only that, but this motion that the tail is suddenly and somehow the most critical part of a cricket team has never been borne out in reality.

What I'd like to know, is which team has a strong tail:

Australia: Gilchrist, Lindwall, Warne, Lillee, McGrath
England: Knott, Anderson, Trueman, Barnes, Verity
Pak: Keeper, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain
Ind: Pant, Dev, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah
Rsa: Keeper, Pollock Faulkner, Steyn, Donald, Tayfield.

WI can cheat a little and pick Walcott but imo, he didn't play enough as a keeper. I'd play him in a pinch. We're not in a pinch batting wise vs any of the other all time teams except vs Australia. Unfortunately, there's no overcoming Bradman and Gilchrist.

 

[Coronis]

What I'd like to know, is which team has a strong tail:

Australia: Gilchrist, Lindwall, Warne, Davidson, McGrath
England: Knott, Anderson, Trueman, Barnes, Verity
Pak: Keeper, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain
Ind: Pant, Dev, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah
Rsa: Keeper, Pollock Faulkner, Steyn, Donald, Tayfield.

WI can cheat a little and pick Walcott but imo, he didn't play enough as a keeper. I'd play him in a pinch. We're not in a pinch batting wise vs any of the other all time teams except vs Australia. Unfortunately, there's no overcoming Bradman and Gilchrist.

ftfy

 

[kyear2]

What I'd like to know, is which team has a strong tail:

Australia: Gilchrist, Lindwall, Warne, Lillee, McGrath
England: Knott, Anderson, Trueman, Barnes, Verity
Pak: Keeper, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain
Ind: Pant, Dev, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah
Rsa: Keeper, Pollock Faulkner, Steyn, Donald, Tayfield.

WI can cheat a little and pick Walcott but imo, he didn't play enough as a keeper. I'd play him in a pinch. We're not in a pinch batting wise vs any of the other all time teams except vs Australia. Unfortunately, there's no overcoming Bradman and Gilchrist.

Nothing wrong with Walcott keeping, he was originally selected as one and was, for all reports a really one good one.

Additionally with a spinner on board, Dujon is a non starter.

Walcott is an automatic as far as I'm concerned.

 

[subshakerz]

But not only that, but this motion that the tail is suddenly and somehow the most critical part of a cricket team has never been borne out in reality.

Why do you do this...

 

[Coronis]

Nothing wrong with Walcott keeping, he was originally selected as one and was, for all reports a really one good one.

Additionally with a spinner on board, Dujon is a non starter.

Walcott is an automatic as far as I'm concerned.

I’ve seen you say this before, is this an actual weakness of Dujon’s or something you’re just assuming?

 

[Ali TT]

What I'd like to know, is which team has a strong tail:

Australia: Gilchrist, Lindwall, Warne, Lillee, McGrath
England: Knott, Anderson, Trueman, Barnes, Verity
Pak: Kamran Akmal, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain
Ind: Pant, Dev, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah
Rsa: Keeper, Pollock Faulkner, Steyn, Donald, Tayfield.

WI can cheat a little and pick Walcott but imo, he didn't play enough as a keeper. I'd play him in a pinch. We're not in a pinch batting wise vs any of the other all time teams except vs Australia. Unfortunately, there's no overcoming Bradman and Gilchrist.

ftfy

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Herschelle played for South Africa.

And Scott played rugby and league for Wales and GB/The Lions

 

[kyear2]

Why do you do this...

Because it's true

 

[kyear2]

I’ve seen you say this before, is this an actual weakness of Dujon’s or something you’re just assuming?

He wasn't atrocious, but it wasn't his forte either.

May have missed a couple stumpings in his career.

 

[ataraxia]

He wasn't atrocious, but it wasn't his forte either.

May have missed a couple stumpings in his career.

I think most keepers missed a couple of stumpings in their careers.

 

[Bert]

Caught Sobers bowled Gibbs was a common refrain of the 60's +