Shane Warne vs Sachin Tendulkar

[DrWolverine]

That’s because he played 24 matches

True

He played 114 Tests and was a keeper in 24 Tests.

That’s why he is not spoken in the same breath as Andy Flower or Adam Gilchrist

 

[sayon basak]

That’s because he played 24 matches

This would also be the case for Flower if he had a specialist WK in his team.

 

[capt_Luffy]

This would also be the case for Flower if he had a specialist WK in his team.

But he didn't, so he kept. And like, you can say had Healy been 7 years younger, Gilchrist could had played a good chunk as a specialist bat.

 

[_00_deathscar]

This would also be the case for Flower if he had a specialist WK in his team.

But he didn’t play just 24 matches did he?

 

[sayon basak]

But he didn’t play just 24 matches did he?

Not arguing for AB>Flower. Just saying that he gets overlooked in the discussion of wicket keeper bats.

Any way do not like the idea that wicket keeper batter is someone who is a specialist bat while simultaneously keeping. Surely De Villiers wasn't a way worse keeper than Flower?

 

[DrWolverine]

Are there any wicker keeper stats?

I saw Flower keep and AFAIK he wasn’t bad. But the issue is I haven’t seen him much.

 

[Coronis]

Are there any wicker keeper stats?

I saw Flower keep and AFAIK he wasn’t bad. But the issue is I haven’t seen him much.

I mean, there are byes and dismissals per innings/match but there are too many factors in play there imo. How wayward/consistent the bowlers are, how good the bowlers were at providing chances etc. And then I don’t believe we have proper stats for dropped catches/missed stumpings etc. Though I think Charles Davis has worked on this in recent times, there’s not much at all to go on historically.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I mean, there are byes and dismissals per innings/match but there are too many factors in play there imo. How wayward/consistent the bowlers are, how good the bowlers were at providing chances etc. And then I don’t believe we have proper stats for dropped catches/missed stumpings etc. Though I think Charles Davis has worked on this in recent times, there’s not much at all to go on historically.

I have seen some of those Davis works and they still had way too many factors. Keepers from SC did quite worse than SENA.

 

[kyear2]

True

He played 114 Tests and was a keeper in 24 Tests.

That’s why he is not spoken in the same breath as Andy Flower or Adam Gilchrist

Andy Flower is not spoken of in the same breath as Adam Gilchrist.

 

[DrWolverine]

Andy Flower is not spoken of in the same breath as Adam Gilchrist.

Even if he is less hyped for various reasons, Andy Flower is a better batsman than Adam Gilchrist

 

[sayon basak]

Even if he is less hyped for various reasons, Andy Flower is a better batsman than Adam Gilchrist

Well Flower was easily the worst keeper of this lot so… the phrase wicket keeper batsman does have wicket keeper in the prominent first position

 

[Coronis]

Andy Flower is not spoken of in the same breath as Adam Gilchrist.

Is he spoken of in the same breadth?

 

[kyear2]

Even if he is less hyped for various reasons, Andy Flower is a better batsman than Adam Gilchrist

That's not the measure of a wicketkeeper batsman though.

And he's not less hyped, he's not in the conversation.

 

[DrWolverine]

I don’t agree

 

[kyear2]

I don’t agree

Have you ever heard him mentioned in the conversation?

 

[271 & 16/166]

Warne was a better bowler and fielder, when he was alive, so a better cricketer than Sachin.
Would take Sachin probably now